PJ Media reports something really alarming.
Vatican Betrays Virgin Mary for Prophet Muhammad by BY RAYMOND IBRAHIM (serious guy)
The same folks to bring you “Abrahamism”—the idea that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are intricately connected—have narrowed their sights on promoting Mary, the mother of Christ, as “a Jewish, Christian and Muslim woman,” in the words of Catholic priest Fr. Gian Matteo of the Pontifical International Marian Academy. In a ten-week webinar series titled “Mary, a model for faith and life for Christianity and Islam,” the academy will seek to present Mary as a bridge between the two religions.
This may be easier said than done — at least for those still interested in facts. For starters, the claim that Mary was a “Jewish, Christian and Muslim woman” is only two-thirds true: yes, she was a Jew by race and background; and yes, she was a Christian in that she literally birthed Christ(ianity); but she was most certainly not a Muslim — a term and religion that came into being 600 years after Mary died.
Worse, far from being the Eternal Virgin, as she is for 1.5 billion Christians of the Catholic and Orthodox variety, Islam presents Mary, the Mother of Christ, as “married” to and “copulating” with Muhammad in paradise — a depiction that would seem to sever rather than build “bridges.”
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I don’t want to include the next part, which is a little upsetting. However, the article goes on to explain how deeply troubling this move would be.
I could barely get through this article as it’s so disturbing. I’m hesitant to share it with my family.
Oh dear Lord. And you say that the *next* part is disturbing?
This needs to e obliterated. They are gravely sinning gainst the Blessed Mother
So, so, so very tired of hearing about how Islam is compatible with Christianity. Aside from doctrinal differences, we share hardly anything in common. Islam is a violent religion, devoid of any semblance of charity or mercy. Thinking we can be compatible is ludicrous.
For a Vatican Pontifical academy to spout this claptrap would have been thought unthinkable not even 10 years ago. Now, nothing surprises me.
Jesus, please come and soon!
Perfectly symptomatic of the state of current katholic theological perspectives and equally agonizing. Absurd in the extreme and deeply heart wrenching.
It’s one appalling thing to deny Christ or misrepresent Him at an official Vatican level.
But when you start dissin’ His chosen mother, well, what Good, Holy, Faithful and Divine Son would respond accordingly.
Miserere nobis
Wouldn’t
I fear we’ll be in for a lot of this sort of thing during the Pope’s “Father Abraham Had Many Sons” tour in Iraq.
1)Islam was founded to deny the Trinity and the Incarnation and is the world’s largest Christian heresy. But the Muslims no longer have any accurate memory of their beginnings.
2)There are a lot of stupid and anti-Catholic people in the Vatican and this has been the case for our entire lives. We need to stop being shocked by that. It is just the sad reality of these times
3) Despite whatever ‘dialogue to nowhere’ nonsense the Vatican apparatchiks have planned for this trip the fact that Pope Francis going to Iraq is a wonderful thing. The Christians of the Nineveh plain need to be supported and the mere fact the a Pope of Rome will be saying Mass in Baghdad, the ancient capital of the Abbasid Caliphate, is quite a wonderful historical development.
Thanks Father…needed your take on this. Scandalous on the part of the Vatican in my book; but there’s so much gaslighting going on, even I’m confused.
Yes, “that would seem to sever rather than build “bridges.”” It’s quite offensive, to say the least.
In his article Raymond Ibrahim mentions “Abrahamism,” which is also a reference to the “Abraham House” in Abu Dhabi. The Abraham House, which could be completed next year, consists of a synagogue, church and mosque commissioned by the “Higher Committee for Human Fraternity.”
Abrahamism is the context of this item from the Vatican website:
“On Saturday, 6 March…Pope Francis will fly to Nassirya for an interreligious meeting at the Plain of Ur.”
God did not call Abraham from Ur. As Genesis 11-12 states, Abram (not yet named Abraham) was in Haran when God called him.
“Terah took Abram his son and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sar?ai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife, and they went forth together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go into the land of Canaan; but when they came to Haran, they settled there. 32 The days of Terah were two hundred and five years; and Terah died in Haran.
Chapter 12: Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves. 4 So Abram went, as the Lord had told him; and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran.”
It seems Haran would be a more appropriate meeting site for an “interreligious meeting” than the “Plains of Ur.” The “Plains of Ur” does not necessarily mean that this “interreligious meeting” Saturday will take place at the ziggurat of Ur. This ziggurat is dedicated to the moon god “Sin” (more specifically, he was called Nanna in Sumerian, and later Su’en or Sin in Akkadian (Akkadian is a Semitic language). “Sin” was included in the names of some kings, “Naram-Sin” for example).
The University of Pennsylvania Museum has a fine online library of Mesopotamian cuneiform texts, here’s an explanatory quote from the UPenn Museum website:
“The moon god was the tutelary deity of the city of Ur. His reach and importance, however, was far greater than just a city god, the moon god is clearly one of the most important deities in the wider pantheon of Mesopotamia.”
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“The primary symbol of the moon god was as a bull, the result of the horizontal crescent of the waxing moon appearing similar to the horns of that animal.”
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“The Akkadian literature evokes some of the other functions of the moon god. A prayer to Su’en details his role in divination (Foster 2005: 758-9). No doubt this divinatory role was also connected to the moon god’s ability to illuminate darkness (Foster 2005: 760-1). Both the moon god and the sun god are praised together in a further text in which they are associated with issuing laws and verdicts, the determination of destinies, and the announcements of omens (Foster 2005: 762). This judicial role was already obvious in the text of the Early Dynastic ‘Stele of the Vultures’, where oaths are taken in the presence of Su’en, and in his epithet “diviner of fates”, which is used across the Near East (Krebernik 1993-98b: 367).”
The Ur ziggurat, now partially in ruins, once had a small temple to the moon god Nanna (Sumerian) or Sin (Akkadian) on its summit. Inside there was apparently a bedchamber for the use of the High Priestess of the moon god’s cult. The High Priestess was appointed by the king, for example, King Sargon appointed his daughter Enheduanna.
The moon god cult was also present in the “Haran” of Genesis 11-12. Another quote from the UPenn Museum:
“Beyond the alluvial plains of Mesopotamia, a cult centre of Nanna/Su’en is attested at Harran, south-east of modern Urfa, from the Old Babylonian period onwards, where the temple name was e-hul-hul “House of Rejoicing” (Krebernik 1993-98b: 368). At Harran a long inscription was found on a stele, which commemorates Adda-guppi, the mother of Nabonidus, and which celebrates her reverence of the moon god. Another stele inscription from Harran describes Nabonidus’ accession to the throne, which is here described as being at the will of Su’en, and that he rebuilt the e-hul-hul temple (Gadd 1958).”
A reasonable interpretation of all this is that God was directing Abram away from the moon god cult, not toward it.
To say the least, the optics of linking the present-day Abrahamic House in Abu Dhabi with the Plains of Ur, or Ur itself, are not good.
Can’t recall the last time I read good news out of Rome.
First off, the Quran doesn’t actually understand that Mary isn’t Moses’ sister. So there’s that.
Then there’s the part where the Quran isn’t really clear about whether Gabriel is the Holy Spirit or not, and whether God gives Mary a son, or the Holy Spirit, or Gabriel — much as you’d expect from a heretical book.
And then there’s the part where the Arabic is really explicit about what part of her body gets touched by whichever spirit it is. (Most English translations soften or avoid this stuff. A lot of Christian apologists have been forced to go into great detail about the exact wording of the Quran quotes.)
And yeah, then you get into the hadith stuff, and it gets much much worse.
Unfortunately, a lot of people have been tricked into thinking the Islamic teachings on Mary are benign, including even naive Islamic people. Telling the truth about how Islam denigrates Mary is the only way to get through this.
It seems that the Vatican has abolished the principle of non-contradiction. Between Islam and Christianity only one of them can be true as they say contradictory things about the divinity of Jesus, the reality of the resurrection, and many other things. If we apply the principle that faith and reason cannot contradict each other it is obvious which one is true and which one is false (Islam would have us believe that the disciples faked the resurrection then were willing to be martyred for what they knew was a lie) . Trying to paper this over with a false ecumenism is futile.
Muhammad is said to have received his revelation from an angel. Does anyone doubt the identity of that angel? Is it stretching it too far to suspect the same origin to the ubiquitous modern feminized angels bearing woke messages in novels and on greeting cards? Well, maybe, maybe not. But seeking to present Mary as a “bridge between the two religions” is a bridge too far.
Re: “plains of Ur,” Islamic tradition actually teaches that Ur and Haran are suburbs of modern Edessa. So it’s actually not all Islam having its own way. (Oh, yeah, and a hadith teaches that Abraham only left, because Nimrod threw Abraham into a fiery furnace for not worshiping idols, etc. It’s all about jumbling the Bible.)
Fun fact: The Biblical Nebuchadnezzar seems to be another name for the historical Nabonidus, who did a lot of the same stuff, also went nuts, and also had a kid named Belshazzar. Nebu/Nabo/Nebo is another name for the moon god. He tried to elevate his god over the Babylonian ones and their king god, Bel-Marduk, and it didn’t work out over the long term. But he was pious, which might be why God kept sending Daniel to warn him.
Sins against the Sorrowful & Immaculate Heart of Mary, are NOT treated lightly (especially when done publicly). The entire reason we were given the 1st Saturday devotion by Our Lady & the Christ Child, to make reparation such as this.
A “bridge between two religions”?
What for?
I mean that seriously: before you start the difficult and expensive task of building a bridge, you ask yourself “why would I want a bridge between these two?” And if you don’t have an answer, you don’t build anything. You shouldn’t bother.
Have the ecumenicalists asked themselves that question? If they are ACTUALLY Christian instead of just mouthing the word, they must hope that eventually such bridge will help to convert non-Christians to the true religion. For, as JonPatrick said above, only one of the religions could be true. Well, you cannot start out on a project of converting those who are in error over to the truth by first DENYING the truth. That cannot possibly work, either metaphysically or pedagogically, and any such attempt is doomed to failure. The only possible starting position is to state and acknowledge the disputed claims each has, as well as any agreed-upon premises.
With what is going on ecumenism and inclusivity would make a great cover story for dissent within the Church.
Blessed Virgin Mary – In Heaven, enjoying the Beatific Vision for Eternity
Prophet Muhammed – Burning in Hell for Eternity
about sums it up…
More background on the genesis of the Abrahamic House in Abu Dhabi:
https://wdtprs.com/2019/02/francis-signed-document-saying-that-god-willed-the-pluralism-and-diversity-of-religions-whats-up-with-that/
The “Human Fraternity” document was signed in Abu Dhabi in 2019 by The Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Ahmad Al-Tayyeb. Al-Azhar is a prestigious Sunni mosque and university in Cairo.
From the Vatican:
“On Saturday, 6 March, Pope Francis will depart Baghdad for Najaf. Following a courtesy visit to the Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Al-Husaymi Al-Sistani in Najaf, Pope Francis will fly to Nassirya for an interreligious meeting at the Plain of Ur.”
Grand Ayatollah Al-Sistani is, of course, Shia.
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Three points providing context and caution regarding the 2019 Human Fraternity document and “Abrahamism.”
1. The secret agreement between the Vatican and the ChiComs is not going well for Chinese Catholics. One reason: In 2018 the Vatican bishop Sorondo stated the ChiComs were “best at implementing the social doctrine of the Church,” and the ChiCom regime’s support for the Paris Climate Agreement gave that regime “moral leadership abandoned by others.” Such delusional thinking leads to the topic of the post above.
2. Recently, the Palestinian Authority stated one thing, but the terrorist group Hamas stated something else.
“The Palestinian Authority (PA) claims that Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups have renounced terrorism and accepted Israel’s right to exist.
“Hamas and the Palestinian factions, however, say this is not true and that they remain committed to “all forms of resistance” against Israel, including an “armed struggle.”
“They are also stressing that they have not recognized Israel’s right to exist and are determined to pursue the fight “until the liberation of all of Palestine,” from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.”
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17108/palestinian-terrorists-biden
3. Raymond Ibrahim, author of the article posted above, observes:
“Thus, Muslims in Kenya torched five separate churches between Jan. 20 and Jan. 24 — the very same days Muslims twice firebombed an 800-year-old church in Sweden.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/03/_church_desecration_in_europe_under_islam.html
A few notes.
– Koran Sura 19:16-21
“And mention in the Book, O Prophet, the story of, Mary when she withdrew from her family to a place in the east [“east” is widely interpreted as meaning Jerusalem] screening herself off from them. Then We sent to her Our angel, Gabriel, appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed. She appealed, “I truly seek refuge in the Most Compassionate [Allah] from you! So leave me alone if you are God-fearing.” He responded, “I am only a messenger from your Lord, sent to bless you with a pure son.” She wondered, “How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me, nor am I unchaste?” He replied, “So will it be! Your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me. And so will We make him a sign for humanity and a mercy from Us.’ It is a matter already decreed.”
[Mary’s Fiat is absent]
– See Sura 19:22-26 which refers to the “trunk of a palm tree” and “fresh, ripe dates.”
From 13 Feb 21:
“I webinar termineranno durante il mese di Ramadan…Grande Moschea di Roma…nel ricordo di quanto affermato dal Sacro Corano (Sura 19,22-26)…verra condiviso un pasto di amicizia e fraternita una volta calato il sole…”
https://www.famigliacristiana.it/articolo/maria-tra-cristianesimo-e-islam-un-corso-online.htm
– Koran Sura 4:157:
“And for their [the “People of the Scripture” i.e. Jews] saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of assumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him.”
Iraenaeus, Against Heresies, I, 24, Doctrines of Saturninus and Basilides, 4:
“Wherefore he [Jesus Christ] did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them.”
[Saturninus lived near the end of the first century and was a student of Menander, who in turn was probably a student of Simon Magus (Acts 8). Gnostics consider Simon Magus as the earliest recorded Gnostic prophet.
Basilides lived in Alexandria during the early 2nd century. He founded his own school where he taught the “Demiurge”- a Gnostic concept in which not God but an Architect created the physical world. Basilides’ students were required to be silent for five years to cultivate their inner gnosis.
In the early 20th century Carl Jung ascribed his “Seven Sermons to the Dead” to “Basilides of Alexandria”.]
– “Islam presents Mary, the Mother of Christ, as “married” to and “copulating” with Muhammad in paradise” [Raymond Ibrahim]
The Gnostic Gospel of Philip:
“The third [building in Jerusalem used for sacrifice], facing east, was called “The Holy of the Holies”, the place where only the high priest enters. “The Holy of the Holies” is the bridal chamber. Baptism includes the resurrection and the redemption; the redemption (takes place) in the bridal chamber.”
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“If the woman had not separated from the man, she should not die with the man. His separation became the beginning of death.”
[Gnostics view the creation of Adam and Eve as a mistake, the Gnostic ideal is an absorption of masculine and feminine into “androgynous wholeness.”
Before the 3rd century “Gnostic Gospel of Philip” and the “Bridal Chamber,” a ritual of the “Mystery Cults” of the Greco-Roman world was the “Sacred Marriage.” An example is the “Sacred Marriage” in Rome between Paulina and the Egyptian god of death, embalming and the afterlife, Anubis, at an Iseum as related by Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, XVIII, 3, 4.]
– An esoteric text, “The Chymical [not chemistry, rather alchemy, the transmutation of one element into another] Wedding of Christian Rosenkreuz” achieved wider circulation in the early 17th century.
– Early in the 20th century Aleister Crowley, formerly a Freemason and member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, founded the religion of Thelema (Do what Thou Will is the Whole of the Law), and wrote the liturgy of the diabolical “Gnostic Mass” (known as “Liber XV”).
One part of the Gnostic Mass is “The Mystic Marriage and Consummation of the Elements.” A “feast day” in Thelema is “The Feast for the First Night of the Prophet and His Bride.”
An example of modern Gnosticism is the short film “Thunder Perfect Mind” presented at the 2005 Berlin Film Festival. It was directed by Jordan Scott and her father Ridley Scott. In addition to its Gnostic theme the six-minute film launched a new Prada perfume. The short film is risque, a “contemporary form of beauty.” Its lead actress is a narcissistic, Inner Goddess-type woman who reads the Gnostic poem “Thunder Perfect Mind” during the short film.
“For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.”
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“I am the bride and the bridegroom, and it is my husband who begot me.”
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“For I am knowledge and ignorance.
I am shame and boldness.
I am shameless; I am ashamed.
I am strength and I am fear.
I am war and peace.
Give heed to me.”
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“For I am the one who alone exists,
and I have no one who will judge me.”
The billionaire Miuccia Prada, who in her earlier days joined the Italian Communist Party and studied at a Milan theater for five years to become a mime, said about the ancient poem, “It’s about the complexity of women. It’s totally contemporary.”