Strange Medjugorje news

I prefer to keep WDTPRS a fairly “Medjugorje Free Zone”.   It’s all too strange for me, I’m afraid.  That said, a while ago I had a note from someone declaring that if the Holy See gives approval to the Medjugorje “apparitions”,

“I will seriously take a step backwards from my Catholic Church. I am afraid that I cannot take this nonsense, and can no longer attend Mass. If it is approved.”

First, I don’t think there is any chance that the Medjugorje… I don’t know what to call it… phenomenon? … will obtain official approval.

Second, we are not bound to give assent of faith to messages or revelations delivered in apparitions.  Approval or recognition from the Church gives us the freedom to accept them or not according as our lights and inclinations guide us.  Leaving the Church because the Church gives approval to this or that apparition is short-sighted.  Were the Church to ask (impossibly) you to believe that there are four persons of the Quaternity or that women can be ordained priests or that the Lord did not rise from the dead, then we might have a problem.  But that won’t happen because the Church cannot teach errors about those things.

Were anything going on at Medjugorje to obtain some approval at some level, I would shrug and go about my day.  Well…  I might write a blog post about it and then add a note about Mystic Monk Coffee, a far more interesting topic.

With that, I bring you this weird story from CWN.

Cardinal Schönborn again hosts Medjugorje ‘seers’ in Vienna cathedral
November 17, 2011

Cardinal Christoph Schönborn celebrated Mass at Vienna’s cathedral of St. Stephen on November 17, as part of a televised event that included testimony from a Medjugorje “seer,” who promised an apparition of the Virgin Mary immediately before the Mass.Ivan Dragicevic, one of the “seers” who claim to have been receiving regular apparitions of the Virgin May for decades, spoke in the cathedral, in an event that was offered on live streaming video broadcast. The schedule called for an apparition at 6:40 pm, Vienna time. [?!?] Dragicevic said that the Mother of God would bless all those present—and that this blessing would extend to those watching the internet broadcast.

The event in the Vienna cathedral caused consternation among Catholics who have questioned the validity of the alleged apparitions at Medjugorje. Bishops in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where Medjugorje is located, have strongly discouraged interest in the “Medjugorje phenomenon.” Still the alleged seers have continued to make public appearances in Catholic churches around the world, with the apparent approval of other bishops.

Cardinal Schönborn has a history of showing support for the Medjugorje “seers.” Early in 2010, he was forced to apologize to Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar (the local diocese) for creating difficulties with his public expressions of support during a “private” visit to Medjugorje in December 2009. Later in the year, however, he welcomed the “seers” to Vienna and praised their efforts.

Last year the Vatican created a special commission to study the Medjugorje phenomenon, in response to pleas for a definitive statement from the Holy See on the alleged apparitions. The commission–chaired by Cardinal Camillo Ruini, the retired vicar of the Rome diocese—has held meetings and interviews but has not issued any public statement.

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I guess it’s a “conscience thing”

From the delightfully-named Weasel Zippers comes this:

[Former Speaker of the House and catholic Nancy] Pelosi [D-CA8] on Catholic’s Being Anti-Abortion: “They Have This Conscience Thing”…

And she called Cain “clueless?”

Via WaPo:

. . . Pelosi recently was criticized for the way she characterized a bill to amend Republican-proposed conscience exemptions for health-care reform that allow providers to refuse to perform abortions. Pelosi called the measure, which passed last month with some help from Democrats, “savage,’’ and said, “When the Republicans vote for this bill today, they will be voting to say that women can die on the floor and health-care providers do not have to intervene, if this bill is passed. It’s just appalling.”

In retrospect, does she think that assessment went too far? Not at all, she said: “They would” let women die on the floor, she said. “They would! Again, whatever their intention is, this is the effect.’’

Catholic health-care providers in particular have long said they’d have to go out of business without the conscience protections that Pelosi says amount to letting hospitals “say to a woman, ‘I’m sorry you could die’ if you don’t get an abortion.” Those who dispute that characterization “may not like the language,’’ she said, “but the truth is what I said. I’m a devout Catholic and I honor my faith and love it .?.?. but they have this conscience thing’’ that she insists put women at physical risk, although Catholic providers strongly disagree.

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Blog was down for a while

The blog was down for a while today due, as I am able to figure out, to a massive outage at a key internet provider.  There was some kind of core network failure.  In any event, the fact that I posted this and you are reading this, suggests that the blog is working right now.

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Reflections on the closing of the Irish Embassy to the Holy See

I’ve been thinking about the decision to close the Irish Embassy to the Holy See.

If I were the Vatican’s Secretary of State, I would close the Holy See’s Embassy in Ireland because of budgetary constraints, and inform them that all business with Ireland would henceforth be handled from a desk at the nunciature in London.

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What I think about that!

This echoes something of my thought about the new Shakespeare movie which I don’t intend to pay to see.

shakespeare

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QUAERITUR: Saying “for all” even after the new translation is in force.

From a reader:

I was wondering what the mind of Catholics ought to be toward the validity of Masses which are celebrated after the implementation of the Third Edition of the Roman Missal by certain Priests who may dare to continue using the Second Edition. [I think what we are talking about is the new, corrected translation v. the 1973 ICEL version.] Namely, in view of the new (happily, more accurate) translation of “pro multis,” and the opinion of some theologians that the only thing which has saved Masses said in English with the “for all” translation of “pro multis” is the virtual intention of the celebrant to said what the Latin says, can Catholics safely judge as valid Masses said by Priests who defiantly continue to use this translation?

No, I don’t think the “virtual intention” argument is the best approach.  I think the truth of the matter is that saying “for all” was valid.  I don’t think a priest had/has to have the intention along the lines “Lord, I know that I am about to say ‘for all’, but I really mean ‘for many’.  Thanks, Lord, and let this be my virtual intention in case I forget to remember.”

Saying “for all” before the implementation of the new translation was valid.  The priest says, “This is my Body… this is my Blood”.  Saying “for all” after the implementation of the new translation would be valid.  I hope no priest does that, but I am sure there will be a few malcontents.  I don’t like the focus on the bare minimum for validity, for I think it leads to other abuses.  However, when malcontents and dimwits screw around with the form of sacraments and leave people wondering, we have to consider what the bare minimum is for validity.

Were a priest to do this, were a priest to refuse to implement the new translation, I would write a short and polite note to him that his choice not to follow the text of the Roman Missal disturbs and distracts you.   Send a copy of your note to the local bishop.  If that doesn’t produce results, then send copies to the Congregation for Divine Worship in Rome.

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The Feeder Feed: back from the cruise edition

Some shots from the Feeder.

The Chickadees were on a cruise, I think.  They are back now, and in large numbers.

I don’t know how they get those sunflower seeds open, but they do.

Still life with flying life.

Ray.

You can tell it is getting chilly out there, especially in the morning.

Goldfinch alla Puffball.

More than “tuppence a bag”.


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Cheap eats and a contest

Over at Sancte Pater we find this from the Beeb:

Britain’s ‘cheapest’ lunchtime meal was unveiled by scientists on Wednesday – the toast sandwich.

The Royal Society of Chemistry (RSC) is reviving the mid-Victorian dish, which, unsurprisingly, consists of two slices of bread around a slice of toast.

The society is so confident in the repast, it will offer £200 to anyone who can create a cheaper alternative.

The meal, costing 7.5 pence, was first promoted by Victorian food writer Mrs Beeton.

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Easy peasy lemon squeezy… I have the an even cheaper offering.

The Open-Face Toast Sandwich!

HA!

How about the Toast Wrap, with a lettuce leaf around that piece of toast?

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Bl. Carl Lampert: ” ‘I love my Church. I remain faithful to my Church and to the priesthood. I am on Christ’s side and I love His Church.”

I had determined last year that this year I would during Advent read a book Advent of the Heart, reflections by a priest who died in Dachau, Fr. Alfred Delp – a fellow Lutheran convert. (Kindle version. UK book.)  Remember: Advent is less about ho ho ho and Merry Christmas and more about your personal encounter with the Lord at the Second Coming (or your death, which ever comes first.. and they will come.  Ho ho ho about that for a while, Fishwrap readers… but I digress.)

I saw this on CNA. Great article.

Benedict XVI praises newly beatified priest killed by Nazis

Vatican City, Nov 17, 2011 / 01:15 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- After praying the Sunday Angelus, Pope Benedict praised the example of Father Carl Lampert, an Austrian priest who was killed by the Nazis in 1944 and beatified in his native country Nov. 13.

“In the dark time of National Socialism,” the Pope said, Fr. Lampert “clearly understood the meaning of the words of St. Paul: ‘We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.’”

“During one interrogation which could have led to his release, he testified with conviction:

‘I love my Church. I remain faithful to my Church and to the priesthood. I am on Christ’s side and I love His Church,’” the Pope recalled.

Pope Benedict entrusted those gathered with him in St. Peter’s Square on Nov. 13 to the intercession “of the new Blessed that we may participate with him in the joy of the Lord.”

Fr. Lampert was a diocesan priest who worked as the vicar general of the Diocese of Innsbruck Feldkirch in Austria.

After the Nazi persecution began in full force in 1939, he was arrested three times for “alleged activity against the State” and was sent to the Dachau concentration camp. He was watched by the Gestapo, and his phone calls and correspondence were under continual surveillance.  [I wonder if we shall see these times again.]

On Feb. 4, 1943, he was arrested along with 40 others and accused of high treason, espionage, undermining army morale and aiding the enemy.

Together with two other priests, Father Herbert Simoleit and Father Friedrich Lorenz, he was beheaded on Nov. 13, 1944. He died speaking the names of Jesus and Mary.

At his inaugural Mass as Sovereign Pontiff Pope Benedict begged for prayers.

“Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.”

Pray for your priests.  Bl. Carl, pray for us.

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