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Tag Archives: PRO MULTIS
ASK FATHER: Does “for all” instead of “for many” make the Mass invalid? Should I receive Communion if I doubt validity?
From a reader… QUAERITUR: My schedule required me to attend a lunchtime Novus Ordo near my office today. The priest (I believe intentionally) modified the Eucharistic Prayer, employing the old “for all” translation of pro multis. As far as I … Read More
ASK FATHER: Priest says “for all” rather than “for many”
From a reader… QUAERITUR: Can a priest change the words”for many “ to “for all?” The priest said it’s optional. No. A priest may not by his own authority change the liturgical texts. That would be a liturgical abuse. The … Read More
Posted in Liturgy Science Theatre 3000
Tagged Precious Blood, PRO MULTIS, words of consecration
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Pope Francis: “Some will awake for eternal life, others for everlasting shame”
The liturgy wars are probably going to flare up again. Not long ago the Pope changed the way that liturgical translations are approved and then, in an informal manner, suggested a few interpretive principles, none of which he has codified. … Read More
Posted in Four Last Things, Francis, Liturgy Science Theatre 3000, PRO MULTIS, WDTPRS
Tagged liturgical translation, PRO MULTIS
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ASK FATHER: Priest says “for all” in consecration. Invalid?
From a reader… QUAERITUR: I just read an article from the Remnant which argued that the use of “for all” instead of “for many” did not invalidate the Mass. This article was written immediately after the release of the new translation of … Read More
Magister: Comments on the state of the Curia
Some time ago I issued a serious rant. HERE I think you should take it to heart. From Sandro Magister: A Firing, a Demolition: Behold the New Curia The reform of the Vatican curia that Pope Francis is carrying out … Read More
From the Archive: Priest refuses to use new translation in consecration of Precious Blood. Invalid?
FROM THE ARCHIVE. (Since a couple people have recently asked about this through email.) From a reader: If I had to guess, there are probably many priests throughout the US who are refusing to celebrate the Mass according to the … Read More
A noted theologian changes his mind about “pro multis” meaning “for all”
From Sandro Magister’s site Chiesa: Vatican Diary / The conversion of bishop-theologian Bruno Forte He was a determined supporter of “for all” in the words of the consecration. But the pope’s letter to the German bishops has changed his mind. … Read More
Posted in Fr. Z KUDOS, Liturgy Science Theatre 3000
Tagged Bruno Forte, for many, PRO MULTIS
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Waiting for Magyar – UPDATE!
In these five short years, vatican.va has already managed to post Summorum Pontificum in Latin and Hungarian! But wait! vatican.va still has nothing on the Holy Father’s Letter to German-speaking bishops about the translation of “pro multis“! Could we at least … Read More
Pope Benedict’s “pro multis” letter to German-speaking bishops now in English. Wherein an HONORED GUEST ranteth.
Here is a follow up to my post about the Holy Father’s letter of instruction to the German speaking bishops about the translation of “pro multis” in the new liturgical books. An English translation of the Holy Father’s letter is … Read More
Benedict XVI explains to German bishops what the “pro multis” really says.
The Holy Father has explained to the bishops of German-speaking countries what the prayer really says. Just as the document Liturgiam authenticam required a revision the English liturgical texts, all the different languages need revision, including German. You may recall that the … Read More
QUAERITUR: Priest changes “many” to “all” in the consecration.
From a priest: I was concelebrating a Mass last week (N.O., in English) and the principal celebrant substituted the word ‘all’ for ‘many’ at the consecration. I gather he does this at every Mass he offers. Does that change render … Read More
QUAERITUR: Priest scandalizes religious ed students by disobedience.
Another form of clerical abuse. From a reader: I’m a DRE with an important question. Today at Mass, a visiting priest in the diocese indicated the following during his homily: 1. He is very much opposed to the new, more accurate … Read More
Posted in "How To..." - Practical Notes, Liturgy Science Theatre 3000
Tagged liturgical abuses, PRO MULTIS, RS 176, RS 51
26 Comments
26 Comments
QUAERITUR: Priest refuses to use new translation in consecration of Precious Blood. Invalid?
From a reader: If I had to guess, there are probably many priests throughout the US who are refusing to celebrate the Mass according to the new translation. My question is, “Is the Mass invalid if a priest uses the … Read More
QUAERITUR: Saying “for all” even after the new translation is in force.
From a reader: I was wondering what the mind of Catholics ought to be toward the validity of Masses which are celebrated after the implementation of the Third Edition of the Roman Missal by certain Priests who may dare to … Read More
“Pro multis” in the the Misal Romano, Tercera Edición for the USA
From the September newsletter of the USCCB’s Committee on Divine Worship comes this blurb: Use of Ustedes and the Spanish Translation of Pro Multis In 2008, the USCCB petitioned the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments … Read More
How are the Germans and Italians preparing new, corrected translations.
Over at Chiesa, the gentlemanly Sandro Magister has posted about German and Italian bishops and the issue of new, corrected translation of the Missale Romanum. However, the piece is not by Magister. It is anonymous… signed “***”, which I think … Read More
Posted in Brick by Brick, Our Catholic Identity, The Drill
Tagged AAS 66 (1974) 98-99, PRO MULTIS, Prot. n. 467/05/L
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“For you and for many for the forgiveness of sins.”
In the consecration of the Precious Blood the priests says: “For you and for many for the forgiveness of sins.” From the Meditations and Devotions of Bl. John Henry Newman. I cannot penetrate Thy secret decrees, O Lord! I know … Read More
Posted in SESSIUNCULA
Tagged Bl. John Henry Newman, consecration, deep in history, Meditations and Devotions, PRO MULTIS
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America Magazine article about “pro multis” in the corrected translation
The Jesuit run America Magazine has an article by Paul Philibert, O.P. about the “pro multis” issue. A Dominican writing for Jesuits about liturgy. Hmmmm. I have written about this issue quite a few times. Let’s see what Fr. Philibert … Read More
Video interview with Card. Burke
A video interview with Raymond Card. Burke from gloria.tv. He speaks about speaking about abortion in the public square, about the Extraordinary Form, Communion in the hand, and the “pro multis” issue. He mentions “mutual enrichment” and “reform of the … Read More
Posted in Our Catholic Identity
Tagged abortion, Card. Burke, Communion in the hand, Extraordinary Form, PRO MULTIS
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Orual on Your Sunday Sermon Notes – 4th Sunday remaining after Epiphany (N.O.: 31st) 2024: “What stood out for me in Father’s sermon was that before Jesus said to the Apostles ‘O ye of little…”
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