Anglican Bishop announces intention to use Anglicanorum coetibus. Fr. Z rants.

I was remiss in not posting about this before, but the lovely and persistent Anna Arco of The Catholic Herald posted that the Anglican Bishop of London, … well.. here it is…

The Anglican bishop of Fulham and the chairman of Forward in Faith International has announced he will resign before the end of the year to join an Ordinariate.

Speaking at Forward in Faith’s National Assembly today, Bishop John Broadhurst, who is a senior figure in the Anglo-Catholic movement, said he intended to tender his resignation before the end of the year and join the Ordinariate in Britain when it is established. He has said that he will remain the chairman of Forward in Faith, which he says is not an Anglican organisation.

Bishop Broadhurst is a suffragan bishop of the Diocese of London. He said the Bishop of London would likely appoint someone new to fill the post Bishop Broadhurst is vacating.

He is the first senior Anglo-Catholic to announce publicly that he will join an Ordinariate when it is founded.


Pope Benedict is the Pope of Christian Unity.

In the meantime, many disgruntled Catholics are on pins and needles waiting for the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams to issue the long-expected Romanorum coetibus, which will give a safe-haven to liberals who want to keep their large puppets and pottery, 60’s music and the ordination of women, prayer to the earthmothergoddess… all without the spirit-repressing domination of masculine Rome!

“But Father! But Father!”, you might be saying with furrowed brow.  “Who, pray tell, should go over to them?  Do you have anyone in mind?”

Since I am in Detroit at the time of this writing, I suggest all the Call To Action types and those associated liberal confab Archbp. Vigneron warned against the other day… and all their speakers… should just go. The folks who are determined to poison reception of the new translation should think over carefully which Church they truly desire to belong to.   99% of the writers of the NCR.   There is hope for some of them, however.  Nearly all the members of the LCWR and CHA could join the wymynpryst types who should immediately get out.  Remember girls! There is a safe haven for all of you! It’s such a small step.   Since I am on it… the dissidents fighting against Archbp. Nienstedt in St. Paul and Minneapolis and against all the Minnesota bishops who are sticking up for true marriage, according to God’s will revealed in nature and in revelation.  Hasta la vista.

This is not an invitation for you to add your own names.  I am ranting.

See what a few hours in Detroit has done to me already?  I am all worked up!  Back to the situation in England…

Damian has this and this.  His Hermeneuticalness has this.

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  1. ghlad says:

    Don’t lose hope, father! Plenty will come over and plenty will leave. Prayer>>> vitriol!

    I always wonder at how those who are still part of the church at least in name will in fact not be a part of the fold when the day comes. I’m just glad I’m not at all in charge of sorting it out.

  2. Scott W. says:

    They won’t go because progressivism = chaos and destruction and no point going where the work is done.

  3. relee54 says:

    If a few hours in the Motor City produced such a great analysis of options for liberal pseudo-catholics, you ought to think about sticking around Motown a bit longer , Father Z! Can’t wait to hear your sermon today.

  4. jmhj5 says:

    I agree with you Father…..we have some in Nashville, Tennessee that should run…not walk but run to them.
    Mary pray for our Church.

  5. God bless Bishop Broadhurst. May others follow where he leads.

  6. Magpie says:

    They won’t leave the Catholic Church because, despite everything, they believe the RCC is the true Church and you can only have a good go at destroying it from the inside. There’s no point throwing stones from outside – you want to create mayhem inside the Church. That is altogether more productive, but ultimately futile. When I get stresses about all this, I just remind myself of Mt. 16:18 and bear in mind that this is, ultimately, God’s problem. We do what we can. And we pray.

  7. cmm says:

    We are not leaving because we were baptized as Catholics and try to live our faith as we pray privately in our houses, publicly at Mass and implicitly in our lives. The Catholic Church is our home and our family. You are frustrated by our differences — well, so are we. But how can you, you, a priest, want us to leave?

  8. TJerome says:

    cmm, sometimes “differences” amount to heresy. Why stay in the Catholic Church when you no longer hold Catholic beliefs? It’s kind of like a person being a lawyer that doesn’t believe in the rule of law.

  9. Childermass says:

    Father, why would they flee for a safe haven when they still have large swaths of the Church under their control? The situation on the ground remains a desert. Please forgive my discouragement, but I went to the AmChurch train wreck at my local parish this morning instead of traveling long distances to a TLM low Mass. I was caught between breaking into tears or walking out the whole time, the abuses and irreverence were so bad. And this is typical of my diocese as a whole. Joan Chittister, Kung, and John Shelby Spong books are sold out of my cathedral.

    Truly, it is Catholics who need a safe haven in many places. As for inquirers into the Catholic faith, where could I direct them besides the local SSPX and Eastern Orthodox parishes?

    For every Mater Ecclesiae and Assumption Grotto there are 500 cesspools, alas.

  10. irishgirl says:

    I don’t mind your ranting, Father Z-as always, you hit the nail right on the head!
    There are CTA types here in my diocese, too-one of them used to be my boss!

  11. cmm says:

    TJerome: I believe that the beliefs I hold are Catholic beliefs.

    irishgirl: I am not a “type” but a human being, and so is the person you’re referring to, I am sure.

    In general I don’t mind the interest in vestments and in minute details that I see when I check out this site, and I do like the obvious devotion to prayer of many here. But I get discouraged when I see, as a group, your outpouring of negative feelings towards those who are not like you. And when Fr Z. joins that chorus, it’s too much.

  12. david andrew says:


    “We, we, we, they, they, they, you Father, you Father.”

    How about “Holy Mother Church”, and “living in conformity with Her Teachings”?

    Women cannot be validly ordained as priests; those who identify themselves as homosexuals cannot be afforded the sacrament of marriage; those who refuse to defend human life from conception to natural death are deemed to be participating in an inherent evil. All of these teachings have been established for many reasons and handed down to Holy Church through the years, safeguarded by the Magisterium which is entrusted by God through the Holy Spirit for that purpose.

    Nowhere in Fr. Z’s “rant” did he discuss “interest in vestments and minute details”. He pointed very directly at philosophies, behaviors and positions posited by the liberals and progressives (with whom you apparently align yourself) that run dead contrary to the Teachings of the Church.

    If you don’t care about minutiae, that’s fine. However, to stand behind personal piety and devotion to prayer (as a way of suggesting some kind of self-identified fidelity), rather than professing faithfulness to Church Teaching, all the while desiring in your heart to lay claim to things that run contrary to that established, received Church Teaching, that amounts to heresy. When heretics cannot be instructed in their errors (because of pride) and refuse to be reconciled to the Church, they impose upon themselves excommunication and no longer have a valid claim to their identity as Roman Catholics, regardless their status as “baptized, life-long Catholics”.

    I’m very sorry that you feel that those who defend the Faith, including Fr. Z and others who regularly participate in this “group”, are engaging in an “outpouring of negative feelings.” In the final analysis, none of this is about feelings. It’s about the welfare of immortal souls and the preservation of the Faith.

  13. Dr. Eric says:

    I would like to see which doctrines and dogmas of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, cmm disagrees with (without derailing the thread) because, s/he may just prefer a well done OF with modern music which isn’t forbidden. We may be talking (writing) past each other.

  14. Tom Ryan says:

    God Bless Dr. Broadhurst and may he inspire others.

    There is something I puzzled by… When the excommunications of the 4 SSPX bishops were lifted, people were appalled that they continued offering Mass and ordaining. Some had a fit that Rome would enter into “negotiations.” Surely they weren’t expected by Rome to end or suspend their activities. They would continue having “illicit” Masses and ordaining without the consent of Rome.

    Now this layman, who Praise God, will enter the Church “before the end of the year” can only offer INVALID sacraments (marriage & baptism excluded). Where are all of the self appointed experts screaming that he cease & desist?

  15. cmm says:

    Thank you Dr. Eric for giving me the benefit of the doubt. My primary difference with church hierarchy concerns the sexual abuse crisis. As you will all agree, the sexual abuse by members of the clergy is a great scandal. I am very angry and distrustful of the bishops who have failed us by not acting. I personally see its causes in the lack of transparency and of accountability, and I think things are crying out for reform in church government.

    That’s the way in which I am “liberal”. It has nothing to do with women’s ordination, but everything to do with holding our bishops accountable. No matter what you say about the Magisterium, church authority, papal infallibility, et tutti quanti, I cannot let bishops say: “don’t worry, I’ll take care of everything, just trust me” after their failures. The Father Maciel debacle must not happen again. So, yes, I am unhappy, but, no, I will not leave.

  16. MikeM says:

    Holding the Church hierarchy accountable for proper management of the Church is not the same thing as being a doctrinal liberal. I’m doctrinally fairly conservative, and I’m furious about the mismanagement by many in the hierarchy. I would never claim to have the doctrinal authority God gives to our hierarchy, but I’m willing to bet I’d be more managerially competent than many of the bishops out there.

    I would suggest, however, that the solution is to find BETTER bishops and to get someone who knows what they’re doing to re-shape the bureaucracies in our chanceries and in Rome. The solution is NOT to weaken bishops (after all, their disciplinary impotence certainly contributed to the sex abuse scandal), nor is it to undertake new innovations in the Mass, to tear down Church teaching on sexuality, etc.

    Also, while I’m displeased with the actions of many Church leaders, we should give credit where credit is due to those who have fought hard to reform the Church… while it goes largely unnoticed in the press, things have gotten a whole lot better. People now come to our Church to learn how to better stop sex abuse of minors.

    There’s still work to be done, but that work won’t be accomplished by constant sniping at “the hierarchy” or by weakening doctrine.

    As for Fr. Z’s rant, while he was obviously a bit upset as he typed it, there’s something to the idea that people who aren’t actually Catholic should leave. Those who believe in divorce, women-priests, gay marriage, legalized abortion, contraceptive use, the doctrinal authority of the laity over the Magisterium, etc., etc., can find plenty of pseudo-Christian “churches” ready to welcome them as they are, heresies and all, into their meaningless open-to-everyone-who’ll-put-money-in-the-collection so-called communion.

  17. Dr. Eric says:

    You’re welcome, cmm.

  18. Marcin says:

    Why stay in the Catholic Church when you no longer hold Catholic beliefs?

    It’s the ‘Catholic’ adjective that people seem to love. Probably because it elicits this special feeling of being in the right place. We feel it too – only we don’t ruin that place. God help us if we do even unintentionally.

  19. irishgirl says:

    david andrew @ 4:36-what you said!

    cmm-OK, I admit ‘type’ was a poor word choice. Doesn’t mean I like or support CTA’s beliefs and goals, though. My one-time boss teasingly tried to get me to go to a CTA conference once. I said ‘no’…with a smile. I never disputed with him on his membership in CTA. Whenever I had to drive him to or from his home (he couldn’t drive because of macular degeneration in his eyes) we got along swimmingly. He was an ND grad (go figure), and we would talk a lot about his visits out to South Bend during the football season, or else about his ‘road trips’ for the church-goods side of his business. I steered away from any controversial topics.

  20. pfreddys says:

    If I can make a prediction here: I bet there wont be the horrible property fights that we Catholics engage in {it seems traditional Catholics especially} between the Anglicans that come home and the Anglicans that remain Anglicans.

  21. AnAmericanMother says:

    Oh, dear, pfreddys, I wish you were right.

    There have been horrible, horrible fights — massive lawsuits, locks changed, stuff (including vestments) tossed out on the lawns — here in the U.S. between the national church administration, bishops, and parishes that wanted to leave the Episcopalians (American arm of the Anglicans). Just thinking about all the skullduggery and full scale war that went on here in my home state makes me feel sick.

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