A reader alerted me to this from VirtueOnline, described as the Voice for Global orthodox Anglicanism.
In an interview in this week’s Church of Ireland Gazette with Canon Ian Ellis, Editor, Bishop Tom Wright speaks openly about theological and Church matters, including the current issues of women bishops in the Church of England, the Ordinariate and the Anglican Covenant.
Asked to comment on the Vatican’s ‘Ordinariate’ scheme to enable Anglicans to join the Roman Catholic Church, and the desire in a parish at Folkestone to change allegiance, Bishop Wright said that people had thought that there were “dozens of parishes ready to jump”, adding: “Many of the Roman Catholic bishops that I know in England were not terribly happy at the thought that they might have to administer this kind of whole extra wrinkle on top of the complicated structure they’ve already got, and I did hear one Roman Catholic priest – how representative I don’t know – saying we’ve got quite enough traditionalists in our own Church without having all yours as well.”
Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity.
The Roman Catholic bishops of England can rest easy, as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith will be the one establishing any Ordinariate. The Ordinary, appointed by the bishop of Rome, will be taking care of the administration of any Ordinariate that is established there. The local bishops will be consulted for their opinion on things, but that will be the extent of their involvement in regards to the establishment of an ordinariate. It won’t be up to the Roman Catholic bishops to set up the ordinariate and maintain it.
Summorum Pontificum was supposed to take the local bishop out of determining whether or not a priest could offer the EF, that hasn’t stopped the bishops from preventing the spread of the EF. The English bishops will poke their noses in the Ordinariate, for sure.
“I did hear one Roman Catholic priest – how representative I don’t know – saying we’ve got quite enough traditionalists in our own Church without having all yours as well.”
What is funny is that this episcopalian is always saying, we have enough heratics of our own without getting all of Romes.
N. T. Wright is one of the leading Bible scholars and the latest in the New Perspective(s) on Paul movement. He has, in his scholarship, demolished the Lutheran case of sola fide, pointing out what Paul clearly says in Romans 2. See his book from last year Justification. Yet he seems to have little interest in The Catholic Faith. His quote above of an unnamed Catholic priest speaks for itself.
I guess then that it will be up to the powers that be, to correct any skewed notion that the Roman Catholic bishop have about their involvement.
Quote: N. T. Wright is one of the leading Bible scholars and the latest in the New Perspective(s) on Paul movement.
But hes still accepts women priests, and gay and lesbian Bishops. So much for his expertise!.
commenting on the “scheme?” Odd choice of a word which generally has a prejorative connotation. Why not, “plan” instead? Shame on that priest decrying that he didn’t want more traditionalists. Perhaps he should swim the opposite way of the Tiber. Unbelievable.
I believe that “scheme” is often used in the British Isles (incl Ireland) interchangably with “plan,” without the negative connotation you percieve.
It’s hard to tell exactly what point of view this quote is taking… “Scheme” doesn’t seem to mean anything negative the way it’s being used, and it’s difficult to tell whether it is a word used by the interviewer, or by the editor who wrote the article. Either way, the Bishop seems to be saying that it’s really no big deal that this parish is planning to change allegiance because “people had thought that there were dozens of parishes ready to jump”.
And is it really all that surprising that a priest in England would think there are already too many Traditionalists in the Church? LOL…
I think we can never have too many traditionalists. I’d like for us to have more. I’ve visited an Anglican parish in the Dallas/Ft Worth area a few times. It’s not as traditional as what I’m familiar with, but it’s a whole lot more traditional than any Novus Ordo only parish I’ve been to. May more and more orthodox Anglicans join us Catholics. Perhaps these traditional Anglicans along with the parishes that celebrate the TLM will help the Catholics who’ve lost their Catholic identity to recover it.
Unity is full of wrinkles- but this is what OUR LORD WANTS!!! Bishops- stop thinking like CEOs that need to keep everything uniform and the same. Embrace these new believers- diversity is a good thing, right?
I would be happy and honored to give said Anglican traditionalists a welcome this side of the pond.
“we’ve got quite enough traditionalists in our own Church without having all yours as well.”
Brittish clergy had better ride the tidal wave of orthodoxy… or else get engulfed by it.
1) Are there many of the English bishops approaching retirement?
2) Are there enough men of stature and orthodoxy to replace them and thus nudge England back into the fold?
His Holiness is using this method to shape our Church in the U.S. It should work there as well.
I’d like to know who this priest is. Maybe not his name, but what he does. Is he a parish priest? Does he work in a deanery? Of course, even if it is representative of the clergy in Britain, it isn’t of the Vatican, so it doesn’t much matter, does it?
saying we’ve got quite enough traditionalists in our own Church without having all yours as well.”
Oh Ain’t life a —–Oh well let the wailing begin, this could really bring out and show the truly wretched among the clergy
Are there really enough traditional Anglicans to even make a dent? I don’t expect much change…
Yes, there will be much change, and the priests who are already whinging are concerned at the traditional liturgy and values these new Catholics will bring to the Church. God bless them.
As to the comment, it seems to be made out of confusion and has no basis in reality.
A Catholic who is not traditional is no Catholic at all.
I believe Archbishop Lefebvre used to make this obvious point from time to time. How I long for the day when Catholics who hold to the perenniel teaching of the Church replace the Vatican II generation.
Oh well. The traditionalists in both Churches have more kids than 3 and 4 of his liberal parishoners put together. Give it a generation and that is all there will be in the Church. Numbers are on the side of Tradition.
The writebacker at 11 November 2010 at 10:11 am has neglected to read what I had written at 11 November 2010 at 9:30 am. Wright is an expert in Biblical studies, not moral theology or church discipline. The fallacy used is falsum in uno, falsum in omnibus, a favorite trick of barristers in dealing with a witness, but still a fallacy.
Let me start with a hat tip to David Virtue, he was one of the few people we could count on for up to the minute information when the Episcopal Church was in utter turmoil in the runup to GC 2003. And he is rock solid on issues such as the ordination of women, homosexuals, ‘gay’ ‘marriage’, etc.
That said, he is definitely at the ‘low church’ or Protestant end of the Anglican continuum – more ACNA than FiF . . . and when he’s talking about ‘high churchers’ or Catholics, it’s not from personal experience. And the low churchers tend to always be suspicious of the motives of Catholics – been reading too much Charles Kingsley I guess.
Sid, it’s not just a witness trick. The judge will instruct the jury on the principle (if requested), at least on this side of the pond.