The feminists who can read, and there aren’t that many, have figured out Pope Francis and they don’t like him.
They are already subtly trashing him. However, they know they are going against a populist icon. They don’t have a chance with this, of course. They have sized up both their enemy and their audience. Therefore, their strategy is not going to be an all out assault. They say things like, “He has to ‘learn’ a few things about women, etc.” In undermining Francis, feminists have to walk a tightrope. They have to appear not to be wholly unreasonable.
Here is a great example.
Behold Mary E. Hunt, an old war horse of the feminist movement.
Mary delivers – at length – three things about Francis that she likes and three that she doesn’t like. Actually, three things that leave her “warm” or “cold”.
Guess which set she thinks is more important?
So, this is another exercise in the feminist attack on Francis. You saw Sr. Maureen Fiedler’s attack on him the other day. HERE If you want to have an amusing and, dare I say, nostalgic review of how old feminists think, have a look.
You go against Francis at your own peril. He will be, after all, TIME Magazine’s “Person of the Year”.
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So it’s “jesuitical” to call oneself a “son of the Church”? Gosh, I’d better be careful not to get accused of impersonating a Jesuit.
Egads. It is impossible to take this article seriously.
“Going to the movies in Buenos Aires is as common as going to mass. ”
“It is amazing how little this pope seems to know about women, other than his grandmother Rosa whom he places right next to the Virgin Mary.”
“Little change will come to the injustices a kyriarchal church perpetrates on women until there are more insights than endless references to women’s motherhood, Mary as more important than bishops, the institutional Church as Mother, and so forth. Francis might consult some women for clarity. I had a fine mother and I try to be a good mother, but enough is enough on mothers. What about seeing women as persons, human beings, agents of their own lives? “
Ok, this is what I’m thinking/hoping; Fr. Z or anyone else, please tell me if this makes sense or is just wishful thinking.
Fr. Z says this feminist has “figured out” Francis. I’m hoping that means that what she’s figured out is that despite his Pope Nice reputation, he will actually hold to traditional Catholic teaching. My next hope is that this is precisely what his plan is. He will become loved by “the world” as an established “good guy” so that when he does hold to Catholic teaching, they cant bash him or the Church, will have to walk a tight rope, and may even have to listen a little.
In other words, I’m hoping this is the begining of a trend that will continue, where liberals start to “figure out” Francis, dislike him for his orthodoxy, but have to keep quiet since they are trapped by his “good guy” reputation.
What do you think? Is this his plan, or my wishful thinking?
Blah, blah, blah. Another day, another cookie cutter homosexual feminist (old, grey-haired, fat, angry) vomiting variations of the same stupid cookie-cutter man-hating cliches. Wonder how many combinations of words she had to go through to make the word Earth Mother word WATER as the name of her think(less) tank?
Nothing says “deep in feminism, orthodox Catholicism, and women’s history” like insulting the Pope’s grandmother and misrepresenting St. Brigid’s abbess crozier. I can feel the love of God and love of sisterhood from here.
Yeah, and I’ll stay over here, where the lightning is less likely to strike….
Why do they always look like THAT?!? This is why I’m hesitant to give up my hairstyling and make-up completely. I don’t want to end up looking like one of them lest I be mistaken for “Sister Pantsuit” (I like to wear a pant suit from time to time, btw. These women ruin it for me.)
“Francis might consult some women for clarity.”
How can she be certain he hasn’t? Just because he hasn’t consulted her or any of her friends doesn’t mean he hasn’t consulted any women. The way this pope uses his telephone he could have talked to many women without being witnessed by someone.
“The very fact that women are set apart as special, different, seems to imply that everything else he says about church, morality etc. is for and about men.”
WHAT…?
“…ordination, reproductive justice, contraception and the like are choices women can and should make.”
What the !#bleep*! is reproductive justice? God made us with the ability to reproduce…if He had not wanted us to reproduce He would have made us differently.
I suppose a belief in God is not a prerequisite for being a theologian…
“…ordination, reproductive justice, contraception and the like are choices women can and should make.”
I’m sure she is a fine theologian in her own universe, but in this one, Spock doesn’t have a beard.
The Chicken
I loved this quote:
“If some issues are closed—not just the ordination of women but how other faith traditions are understood; not just same-sex love, but what we mean by Eucharist—is this interview simply a puff piece, a case of the Jesuits promoting their own and their own promoting Jesuits?”
Umm…Those issues are closed for ALL Catholics, not just Jesuits, Sister. Pope Francis himself said Bl. John Paul II’s formulation regarding woman’s ordination was definitive.
I could have sworn that the Eucharist was the Real Presence of Christ under the appearances of bread and wine, but then again I’d bet she’d say that I’ve been “brainwashed by the institutional Church and correct me that the Eucharist was the “community” of the Church. These type of articles impress upon me the need for us to make reparations to the Sacred Heart for offenses.
I always think of my late Dad years ago when a lady got in his face and told him he knew nothing about women:
“Ma’m, I have a wife, a mother, a mother-in-law, seven sisters and eight daughters. I know something about women.”
Liturmatt,
Unless I missed it, I don’t believe Hunt is a sister. Just a garden-variety feminazi. Her thumbnail biography states,
“Mary E. Hunt, Ph.D., is a feminist theologian who is co-founder and co-director of the Women’s Alliance for Theology, Ethics and Ritual (WATER) in Silver Spring, Maryland, USA. A Roman Catholic active in the women-church movement, she lectures and writes on theology and ethics with particular attention to liberation issues.”
Masked Chicken –
In fact, he does:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock
:)
Hey Tradster et al! Does being old, grey-haired, fat and angry make you a a homosexual feminist? Wait ’til you are 65 – then you will be a) old, b) grey-haired, c) probably fat and d) at least grumpy yourself! If a homosexual old, grey-haired, fat and angry *male* theologian had written the exact same wacky article, I bet you hadn’t mentioned his physical appearance at all. Be a gentleman and judge women not by their looks, but by their opinions, just as you do with men.
I’m sure she is a fine theologian in her own universe, but in this one, Spock doesn’t have a beard.
The Chicken officially wins the internet.
“A Roman Catholic active in the women-church movement, she lectures and writes on theology and ethics with particular attention to liberation issues.”
Translation: “A malicious heretic, bitterly trying to destroy the Catholic Church, which she hates.”
How these people test our charity! Tomorrow’s Holy Rosary is for this poor sister of ours. God save her and those like her.
VexillaRegis:
Well said. Most of the older ladies I know are grey-haired, wear pants, and aren’t necessarily svelte. I know some very devout women who don’t look that different from that stereotype, and some loonies who don’t fit the stereotype at all. Why is it that a female dissident’s haircut, weight, and clothing are fair game for criticism? Stick to what she says, not what she looks like, unless it is TRULY offensive.
I’m no radical feminist myself, but it’s still discouraging to see comments like that, where a woman is judged not just for what she says but what she looks like when she says it, while the closest a man is likely to get to the same appearance-based judgement is whether he wears ugly polyester vestments. It is sad that a lot of people even in faithful Catholic circles buy into the Devil’s notion that the value of a woman, including the value of whatever she has to say, has a lot to do with how physically attractive she is to a man.
For the record, not all lesbians look “butch” either.
“If women are human beings like men, not different from men in some mystical way that can result in discrimination, then ordination, reproductive justice, contraception and the like are choices women can and should make.”
Of course women can choose to use birth control, murder their babies, or become “ordained”. All of us can choose to commit grave sins, what we cannot do is choose the price we will pay for them.
It was predictable that someone would get her knickers in a twist about that and miss the point in the process. They all look alike, cut from the same mold. If they all looked like the young, blonde beauties on Fox News I still would have criticized them for looking the same, talking the same, and thinking the same. And yes, I would have done the same with men if it applied.
All that said, my apologies for offending anyone. Well, except for those feminists to whom I was referring. They delight in being offended.
” I’m hoping that means that what she’s figured out is that despite his Pope Nice reputation, he will actually hold to traditional Catholic teaching.”
I don’t think we have to worry about that. He didn’t throw Marini under the bus as expected on day 1. What i do worry[to some extent]about is the perception the American media is putting out there.They hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see but there’s no point in helping them out.
We’re looking at a Pope from South America who has no experience of the American culture we,as Catholics,face. Wish someone would give Our Holy Father a heads up.
The fellows here will know better than I, but from what I’ve read, the true Christian knight considers it in bad form to make deprecating personal remarks against another man, and detests the very thought of doing so against a woman. This is because all of his training and instincts are geared toward being protective of womanhood, even of females who are so misguided as to have made themselves unworthy of the noble name of woman.
Most men are able to bring to mind a woman – a mother – who shines brightly enough to bestow, for him, a pale glow upon even these unfortunate females. It is for this Lady’s sake that the true Christian knight carefully honors each woman he encounters.
I could be wrong.
Some years ago, I saw Sister Maureen in a debate with Father Fessio over the ordination of women. I really don’t understand why she gets the attention she does, even among her own. At the risk of being unkind, she’s not exactly an intellectual giant, know what I mean? (By the way, as one would expect, the good Father wiped up the floor with her, but he’s such a gentleman about it. Even afterwords, he told a few of us he didn’t think he did that good of a job. I think he meant it, too.)
Did anyone else notice that at the end of the article Ms. Hunt said, “The Roman Catholic Church has been around for several thousand years…”?
The Catholic Church wasn’t founded until around A.D. 33, and the Roman Church came on the scene a few years later. That makes the Roman Catholic Church a bit less than 1,980 years old. The last I heard, the figure 1,980 could be rounded off to “a couple thousand,” but not “several thousand.”
If this lady is so ignorant of Church history and basic math, why should anyone believe anything she says – particularly when it comes to things relating to the Church?
Tradster: I did not miss the point, I chose not to comment on it. Read what Heather F and Marion Ancilla Mariae wrote above. (Thank you, fellow ladies!)
Criticizing young, blonde and thin ladies for looking like everyone else on Fox News, isn’t a real criticism – she is still beautiful and socially high ranking. Ridiculing a lady for both her views and her appearance (which she mostly can’t help), leaves her with – nothing. I was offended on behalf of all women. The worst blank in the raffles of life is to be born as a woman.
Vexilla Regis, who still is blonde, slender and much younger than Mrs Hunt.
Nothing wrong at all with saying, “Ms. Hunt’s remarks are deplorable, wrong, off-base, and here’s why: (point A); (point B); (point C).” Or, for that matter with “Mr. Smith’s comments are without foundation because . . . ” And give your reasons. That’s arguing the substance. That’s good.
One consolation in these times is that the far left is just as frustrated as many of us are with the mainstream media for creating a popular Virtual Francis.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
http://www.laici.va/content/laici/en/sezioni/donna/notizie/seminario-di-studio-organizzato-dalla-sezione-donna.html