VA Hospital bans religious Christmas carols

I think this is despicable. It also shows what is happening under the godless Obama Administration… who did not go to Church on Christmas, even though last week he (hypocritically?) said we should remember the religious dimension of Christmas.  BAH!

I digress.

I think this is despicable.

From CBS Atlanta:

Hospital Bans Christmas Carolers From Singing Religious Songs

AUGUSTA, Ga. (CBS Atlanta) – An Augusta hospital has adopted a new policy banning Christmas carolers from singing religious songs in public patient areas.
The Charlie Norwood VA Medical Center [The Obama Administrations VA.] announced the new policy Monday according to the Athens-Banner Herald.
“Military service veterans, male and female, represent people of all faiths,” hospital spokesman Brian Rothwell said in a statement according to Athens-Banner Herald. “It is out of respect for every faith [B as in B.  S as in S.] that The Veterans Administration gives clear guidance on what ‘spiritual care’ is to be given and who is to give it.”

A group of high school students from Augusta’s Alleluia Community School were prevented from singing traditional holiday songs that honor and celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ to veterans by the medical center last week.
The school principal, Dan Funsch, told the newspaper that he was disappointed that the Veterans Affairs hospital’s “spiritual care” grants holiday exemption only to secular characters that make up the 12 Days of Christmas.
“This is not a religious proselytizing, evangelistic issue,” Funsch explained, arguing that Christmas songs are broadcast during the holidays on area radio stations and in local retail outlets. “The song Joy to the World is as much a part of the holiday spirit as the Christmas tree.”
The principal noted that the peculiar part of the policy is its recent enforcement.


If Pres. Obama and his ilk have their way, any expression of religious values and tenets will be banned.  Given time, they will pass laws to punish people who express religious views in the public square.  Off to the reeducation camps for you.  And their liberal catholic will be right there supporting the enlightened and no-doubt-necessary policy.

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  1. Wasn’t the 12 Days of Christmas actually a coded Catholic recusant hymn?

    Maybe what ought to happen is that we just defy these unconscionable orders and make the government bodily eject us from their premises and prosecute us. Perhaps we ought to resist, even if we can’t hope to win. Even if they are going to win, we should at least make them earn it.

  2. Luvadoxi says:

    Maybe it’s just me, because I’m a convert, but in a similar vein my family and I were discussing how strange it is that Catholics don’t sing, and that there seems to be a culture of waiting for permission in the Catholic church. Is this it? My first reaction to this awful story is anger, followed closely by the question–so what? Why aren’t they just *singing* anyway? Sing first and ask forgiveness later, you know? Anyway–my two cents. Rush in and distribute the cards to the veterans (who’s going to stop little kids?)–in the Texas case. Sing carols in this case. Why wait for *permission* from godless people?

  3. benedetta says:

    Yes Miss Anita Moore, O.P.! Exactly.

  4. Mike says:

    I’m sorely tempted to suggest a road trip to Augusta. (There are worse and colder towns in which to spend a weekend in the pokey, and worse reasons to do so.)

  5. HighMass says:

    This message doesn’t surprise me… I worked for the Veterans Administration for 37+ years, THANK GOD I am now Retired….it was a good living…but the politics are horrid……

    Did while I was there manage to place a Nativity Scene (small one) in the Patients Dining Room.

    This is Deploring! But not surprising!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. StJude says:


  7. “the godless Obama Administration… who did not go to Church on Christmas.”

    Have you ever been to a church, or any place otherwise left to the general public, when the President shows up? Trust me, you don’t want to. [So?]

    It’s not just another day. Secret Service agents basically take over, and make life a pain in the neck for everybody except the President and his entourage. It is for this reason that many chief executives have chosen not to attend church regularly while in office (among them no less than the late President Reagan).

    I’ve worked in Washington for over thirty years. I’ve been invited to three private Christmas tours of the White House. The President has never been there when I have, and I’d just as soon leave it that way, even if he’s a guy I voted for (which isn’t a problem here).

  8. Venerator Sti Lot says:

    And what are “secular characters that make up the 12 Days of Christmas”? People dressed like, for example, partidges? “Hi, I may be only a talking goose, but even I know there would be no 12 Days of Christmas if Twelfth Night were not followed by the Feast of the Epiphany…”

    So, out of concern for Christians they may sure no Christian gets to hear any Christian songs on Christian Feasts… mighty thoughtful!

  9. mamajen says:


    Very interesting observation! There is certainly a lot of that within the Church, however I don’t think it is just a Catholic thing. I remember when the “Barrycades” were going up during the government shutdown, reading sob stories from people who traveled across the country to see Mount Rushmore and they “had to” drive past because there were little orange cones in the way. I thought “You have GOT to be kidding me!” For some reason many people prefer their righteous indignation to actually doing something. I saw it all the time while living in England, and it bothers me that so many in the USA are becoming the same way.

  10. southern orders says:

    Hey! Augusta is my hometown and the VA’s silliness epitomizes Washington not my fair and religious city where I was pastor for 14 years of Georgia’s oldest Catholic Church, the Church of the Most Holy Trinity founded in 1810 and it’s stunning Romanesque Revival new church begun in 1857 and completed and Consecrated in April of 1863 during the height of the War between the States. Both the Alleluia Community and the Church of the Most Holy Trinity as well as Augusta have produced more priestly vocations in the last 25 years than any other parish, community or city, including Savannah, in the Diocese of Savannah!

  11. Luvadoxi, I think the permission-seeking attitude you describe is part of the general cultural malaise.

    And Catholics don’t sing because in most places, there is no longer actual music at Mass.

  12. Uxixu says:

    Despicable. The patients should lead the songs.

  13. joanofarcfan says:

    They’d probably eject the patients.

  14. Cantor says:

    Luvadoxi – There’s a quite good book out on the very topic: Why Catholics Can’t Sing. The original was published 20 years back, but it has been just recently updated. (I’ve not yet seen the update.) The original examined the topic from several perspectives, including the poor quality of much modern Catholic music, ignorance of Church music history, and even the large number of Irish Catholics who came to America and brought along their reluctance to sing aloud for fear of the British Protestants. Might well be worth a read for you, and I’ll bet you can get it via Fr. Z’s Amazon link.

    [Here it is.]

  15. AA Cunningham says:

    “It is for this reason that many chief executives have chosen not to attend church regularly while in office (among them no less than the late President Reagan).” manwithblackhat

    President Reagan decided after the assassination attempt that he did not want to subject those in a house of worship to more intrusive security measures. President Reagan was a regular reader of Scripture during his tenure and he never canceled The National Day of Prayer unlike the current occupant of the oval office.

    Big difference between that and the behavior of Soetoro who has no problem subjecting the Marines stationed at Kaneohe Bay to the inconvenience of his presence everywhere, particularly the golf course, except the base chapel.

  16. MarkJ says:

    I would NEVER defend Obama… but assuming he were a Christian (which I doubt) he would not be in church on Christmas because protestants in general do not have services on Christmas day… maybe on Christmas Eve but not on the day. Remember the protestants did away with ALL obligations regarding worship…

  17. AnAmericanMother says:

    Have an older edition of the book. I wish it had some better suggestions for dealing with a non-singing congregation that refuses to support a good and musically Catholic choir (Chant, a little medieval and a lot of Renaissance polyphony, plenty of Baroque, plus a few good solid Romantics and Moderns).
    We are constantly trying to recruit new members, with very little success. I know in a parish of 2000+ families there must be competent musicians in the congregation, but they won’t come forward.
    It is quite a culture shock for an Episcopalian convert – in a parish less than half the size of this one, the choir was audition-only and there was a waiting list for the available spaces. Tours, guest choirs, radio shows, recordings . . . they may be a bunch of heretics but they value music. The kicker is that 95% of everything we sang was CATHOLIC music that Catholics aren’t singing any more. How embarrassing!

  18. AnAmericanMother says:

    I beg to differ — we drive past a lot of churches on our way to our parish – 2 Methodist churches, a breakaway Anglican church, an Episcopal church, and an ENORMOUS evangelical/pentecostal church that is nominally a “Full Gospel Church of God of Cleveland Tennessee” but is doing its best to play down that affiliation. They all have Christmas Day services, and most have a Watch Night service as well. Now admittedly the Piskies and Anglicans THINK they’re Catholic, but that doesn’t explain the Methodys and certainly not the CoGs.

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