¡Hagan lío! TLM now more than ever!

In the midst of disorienting news, here is orienting news.

I saw this on the Twitter feed of Fr. Nathan Siray, @frnathansiray:

“First of many…”.  It warms the cockles of my beady-black heart.

Fr. Z kudos.

Fathers, we are living in interesting times.  The times are going to become interesting-er yet.

It is time for you to learn the Extraordinary Form.  Just learn it.  Then say it.

What you do will have a terrific knock-on effect.  Do not underestimate it.

Press forward.


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  1. APX says:

    This priest is in my diocese. Let’s pray he doesn’t get transferred to the boonies.

  2. HighMass says:

    Deo autem gratias! :)

  3. Sonshine135 says:

    No matter what has happened over the past few weeks, Summorum Pontificum is still in effect. Thank you Father Siray!

  4. Todd J. says:

    Great news, but why do so many priests think Fiddleback vestments are “the” vestments for the Extraordinary Form? [Can we all agree not to call them “fiddleback”? And to teach others not to call them this?] I admit a mild preference for the older “Gothic” form, but something just doesn’t sit right with when I see the OF and EF treated as two different animals. In my humble opinion, the EF would be a tad more accessible if celebrants chose well-made vestments of the fuller cut more recognizable to most Roman Catholics (not talking polyester horse-blankets, but perhaps Holy Rood Guild or Venerable Bede Guild).

    Not to rant, but at my local EF Mass a few months ago, I saw our priest vested in beautiful, dignified vestments of a fuller cut come out before Mass and bless the newly purchased “Extraordinary Form Vestments” — a set of fiddleback vestments. I have no problem with purchasing new, well-made vestments of any style, but I find it rather silly to imagine the more truncated cut is most proper to the Extraordinary Form. [There were once prescriptions about the style of vestments. They no longer apply.]

  5. truthfinder says:

    Todd J.,
    I’ve actually seen a move in the other direction. I know several OF priests who, when buying new vestments, have bought fiddlebacks, at least as the choice of their most “solemn” vestment. So OF congregations are getting exposed to them (at least in some places) without the connection to the EF.

  6. Suburbanbanshee says:

    I suspect that any cut of vestment that doesn’t sweep stuff off the altar would be appropriate for the EF.

    However, although I personally have never been able to decipher the priest’s movements at the EF very well (lack of practice), the instructional materials for the EF generally presume that the priest is wearing something form-fitting that lets the congregation see those movements, and hence follow the Mass.

  7. visigrad says:

    Praise God. Those of you who are in the business of catechesis can foster the cause by educating those in your sphere about the Mass of the Ages…it is our history.

  8. APX says:


    Our priest has told us he prefers not to use gothic style vestments because he finds the extra fabric around the arms problematic at times and could knock over the chalice.

  9. TopSully says:

    Father – You speak often about the effect when priests learn to say the EF Mass, specifically about how it improves their saying the NO Mass. I don’t know about others, but I found that I also get some of the effect from hearing the EF Mass. I don’t go to the EF often, but a couple of years ago started going occasionally and I found that I now “participate” much better in the OF Mass I normally attend.

    Fr. Z's Gold Star Award

  10. JonPatrick says:

    Our parish (Prince of Peace Lewiston ME) decided this year to offer Ember Day masses in the EF, for the first time in a long time, probably since the Paul VI Mass came into being. Another brick!

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