Irish Ass. of Catholic Priests in toddler meltdown mode against Francis over no women deacons

There are, apparently, still some priests left in Ireland for the tens of people who still want the sacraments.   Evidence for this claim is found in a story at  It concerns that pungent group, the Ass. of Catholic Priests.   Have a look at this spittle-flecked nutty against Francis concerning the deaconette situation.

Priests hit out at Pope’s ‘women deacon’ remarks

A group which represents more than 1,000 Irish priests has said Pope Francis’ comments about the status of women deacons is a “major disappointment”.  [These dippy men are the major disappointment.]

The reaction comes after the Pope revealed that the 2016 commission he appointed to study women deacons in the early Church could not reach a consensus on whether female ordination was the same as its male counterpart. “We had come to expect reactions like this from previous Popes, but we thought Francis was different, and consequently our disappointment is greater,” the Association [Ass.] of Catholic Priests said in response to the Pope’s comments.

“The equality of women is critical for the credibility and the future of the Church. Introducing women deacons is such a minimalist step that if he cannot move on that, there is little or no prospect of any real movement towards equality.”  [Good grief.  How many things are wrong in that paragraph.]

The group added that the Pontiff’s remarks on female deacons “confirms that women are not good enough” and that in the eyes of the official Church, “men are more worthy than women”. [That’s simply unworthy manipulation.  Just plain stupid.]

“It confirms that the Church continues to be a clerical hierarchical patriarchy. It confirms that injustice is built into the heart of the Church. This is an enormous blow to reforming the Church and bringing it into the 21st Century.”  [It’s as if, once started, they don’t know how to stop.  I’m reminded of watching a toddler build up to a melt down.]

The complete statement from the Ass. of Catholic Priests is HERE.

My sincere sympathy goes out to my faithful brothers over there who, in the face of this true idiocy, are soldiering along and doing their best.


Regarding the whole topic, I am reminded of this old cartoon from Punch in the early 80’s

That’s sure to fry a few feminist gizzards.

However, on a truly serious note, misleading people into thinking that the ordination of women through the Sacrament of Holy Orders could ever be valid, such that they begin to erode their Catholic identity and seek such a thing, work for such a thing, is surely diabolical.  It smacks of the Author of Lies, who lead a people to do precisely what is depicted.   May God forgive those deceived priests, who chase and promote a lie.

May Our Lady, under the title of Guadalupe, Crusher of the Serpent’s Head, intercede for them all.

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  1. Matthew says:

    Ireland has become a cesspool. I’m so very glad I got out when I did.

  2. Luminis says:

    We lived in Ireland from 1999 until 2009.
    I am grateful we left but my prayers are united to the faithful there who face many hurdles. Our Lady of Knock pray for us.

  3. Luminis says:

    Fr Z is there a list of members belonging to Assoc of Catholic priests? I am in Ireland visiting family often and have good friends there too. I would like to see which priests are taking part in this nonsense.

  4. jaykay says:

    We are blessed to have three faithful Priests in our parish here in Ireland, and our local Dominicans are outstanding, with three new young priests in the last couple of years. I make a point of expressing thanks when I get to meet them.

    But the situation overall is bad, and has been for a long time. There are, I think, about 4,500 Priests currently serving here, between diocesan and Orders. Meanwhile, many online articles from MSM sources constantly cite a membership for the ACP of 1,000, which would be 45% of all Priests. However, extensive searches have failed to show me where this number actually comes from, as their website doesn’t even give it (as far as I could see) – which it surely would if it were true. My opinion is that they probably have a smallish core of activists and a passive general membership. In any event, they are open to laypeople as “associate members” so it’s possible the bulk of the quoted figure of 1000 is from there.

    The toddler analogy seems accurate, in many ways, not least their (unsurprising) penchant for liturgical gloop. This is from the Constitution page of their website: “Liturgical celebrations that use rituals and language that are easily understood, inclusive and accessible to all.”

    There’s much else there that one would expect from such quarters, but they really don’t do irony:
    “A culture in which the local bishop and the priests relate to each other in a spirit of trust, support and generosity.” Yeah, sure – like we see when the likes of the ICP clerical membership are in the driving seat. Nope, an irony-free zone alright.

  5. bibi1003 says:

    I visited Ireland in 2008. As our tour bus passed the seminary in Maynooth, our tour guide said the number of seminarians had dwindled so low that he was afraid it would be closed. Now it’s the only one left in the country.

  6. Charivari Rob says:

    Interesting. The same group that a couple of years ago ago said dioceses should hold off on the permanent diaconate (it’s only in the last few years that the “male only” (as they put it) permanent diaconate was introduced in Ireland) until “the study group reported and the Pope spoke”.

  7. John21 says:

    I think it’s clear as Caribbean waters that Jesus meant for men and only men to be ordained. The Twelve weren’t the only ones who followed Him. There were women, too (c.f. Luke 8:1-3). Women were instrumental in enabling Jesus to carry out His public ministry by providing for the material needs of Him and His disciples. They also witnessed the Crucifixion, the empty tomb, the risen Lord, and received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. How is this anti-woman?!?! Crack open a Bible and you’ll see Jesus and the early Church were anything but anti-woman!!

    Jesus would not have instituted the Sacrament of Holy Orders with men as being the only ones who could receive it with an unjust or hateful reason in mind. Plus, I don’t think I’m in a position to scold God and tell Him that He made an unjust sacrament.

  8. JustaSinner says:

    Wait…there’s a 1000 priests left in Ireland? Me thinks there’s some inflation in those numbers! If St Patrick were to come back to the Emerald Isle, I’m sure the snakes he’d run our were of the Ass. of Irish Priests kind.

  9. Ave Maria says:

    This Ass. wants the Roman Catholic Church to be Anglican or Lutheran. They are free to go to those communities and have all the ‘equality’ they wants but no holiness for them there.

  10. Jonathan Marshall says:

    Poor, poor Ireland. She was once a powerhouse of the Catholic faith, sending good and holy priests and Religious all over the world (including England, thank God!). And now we have these emasculated wimps instead.

  11. tho says:

    No one wants to prevent a person of either sex from a position that they are qualified for, but women in Holy Orders is not what our Lord instituted. Men are servants and women are hand maidens, just as our Lord wanted it to be. Why would any low IQ priest or prelate want to overturn 2019 years of precedent, and contradict our Lord.
    On the secular side, women police officers are thrown around like rag dolls, when ever there is a confrontation with a male perp. And who wants a woman firefighter carrying you threw an inferno, when they have been given a waiver on the strength test. Women in the infantry defies common sense, granted there might be an amazon here and there, but they are still weaker than men. Furthermore what would John Wayne say.

  12. Prayerful says:

    The ACP might exaggerate their numbers – hopefully – but their attitude of uncritical adoration of the world, along with a refusal to meaningfully criticise the horrors of abortions and a reflexive hostility to the essence of centuries of Catholicism (e.g the administrator of the failing Bird Ave church is phobic towards the TLM) , makes them sadly representative of post V2 Irish priests. When good priests are needed, Ireland still has so few, and the stubborn refusal of any bishop apart from Abp Martin (who himself couldn’t even say a word against abortion on 1st January when it became law) of Dublin to find any fault with the ingrained homo-heretical culture of St Patrick’s Seminary, Maynooth, suggests it will be a long time before the corner has been turned. SSPX pilgrims last year were prevented from entering Knock Shrine last year while Protestants or Moslems can almost expect a welcome almost as of by right.

  13. Joe in Canada says:

    Veterum coetibus soon!
    (Father Z, was it you who thought that up first?)
    ps didn’t we use to see html code, with an opportunity to preview?

  14. Benedict Joseph says:

    The IACP is, as to be anticipated, jumping the gun. We live during a pontificate unlike any known before. It isn’t done yet. The Pan-Amazon Synod is upon us. Surely they will find a consolation prize to hold them over for a while. Then we’ll see what happens.
    We never want to be too precise, too definitive, you know.

  15. Deborah Y says:

    Anyone that presses for women’s ordination as necessary for equality has a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the priesthood. A holy priest is a servant, and indeed the pope is titled ”the Servant of the Servants of God.” As a woman, I see myself as having different ways to serve God that are just as dignified. Priests that push for ordination are essentially saying to me “too bad you can’t be as important as we are.” Oh, really? Speaks volumes about their view of the priesthood and I hope they would spend more time meditating on Jesus washing his disciples’ feet.

  16. SophiaGrace says:

    Amen and Amen, Father

  17. ChrisP says:

    I disagree with the sentiment that Ireland was a powerhouse of the faith in the 20th C. It wasn’t.

    The Germans have generally made – and continue to make – the loopy ideas, but the Irish missionary priests spread those ideas across the USA, the Pacific and parts of South America and Africa.

    Then, in the late 90s, they turned in on themselves and set fire to their own home. Germany is now doing the same thing.

    This might sound harsh, but the evidence of priestly abuse is very, very prominent where the Irish went. The French not so much.

  18. Semper Gumby says:

    Thanks jaykay et al for news from Ireland. St. Patrick, St. Brigid, St. Columba, and St. Columbanus no doubt are not amused about this “Ass.” or recent pro-abortion laws. May they intercede and enlighten certain thick Irish skulls.

    As Grandpa Paddy used to say- after wiping away the Guinness foam with his sleeve while waving a shamrock at us kids to teach us about the Trinity- the brain is to be used for more than keeping the ears apart.

    “May Our Lady, under the title of Guadalupe, Crusher of the Serpent’s Head, intercede for them all.”

    Amen. The “Ass.” should be busily ridding the Emerald Isle of snakes, not strumming guitars at the beach to welcome landing parties of serpents.

  19. DeGaulle says:

    The media only provide coverage of these kinds of priest. Orthodox priests going about their daily business are regarded as non-persons unless a salacious allegation against them emerges. As many posters declare, things are bad here but not altogether as bad as this lot would suggest.

  20. Johann says:

    The Irish born Franciscans here in South Africa would be appalled to hear their so called brothers have sunk this low, acting like spoilt children.

  21. Akita says:

    Dear Luminis,

    Father drove home, it’s “Ass. of Catholic Priests”. not Assoc. Let’s stick with Father’s guidance.

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