New opportunity for traditional Ambrosian Rite Masses

I don’t have time to translate this.   Maybe one of you will to the honors.

The upshot is that there is a new opportunity for people to attend Masses in the older form of the Ambrosian Rite, one of the Latin Rites. 

There has been a lot of controversy about use of the older Ambrosian Rite.   The head of the Ambrosian Church (so-called after St. Ambrose of Milan) is the Cardinal Archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Tettamanzi.   Some officials in Milan have claimed that Summorum Pontificum applies only to the Roman Rite and not the Ambrosian Rite.

Card. Castrillon of the PCED doesn’t agree.  Summorum Pontificum seems to apply to all the older Latin Rites which were/are in effect.  

I think we can wager that the upcoming clarificatory document will say something about this.

In any event, many thanks to the very good work of the intrepid Andrea Tornielli for this.

Schusteroktettamanziok 1Come preannunciato lo scorso agosto, inizia ad essere celebrata stabilmente una nuova messa in rito ambrosiano antico nell’arcidiocesi di Milano. Domani, sabato 18 Ottobre, alle ore 17.30, nella chiesa di S. Ambrogio, in via S. Ambrogio a Legnano (zona pastorale IV), si celebrerà la messa cantata in rito ambrosiano antico. Il cardinale Dionigi Tettamanzi, capo rito, ha accolto la richiesta di un gruppo di fedeli animati dal Movimento Liturgico Benedettiano, che si propone di portare avanti la “via ambrosiana” al motu proprio Summorum Pontificum.  A partire dalla settimana successiva, la messa antica sarà celebrata a Legnano, ogni domenica e festa di precetto sempre alle ore 17.30 (secondo l’edizione del Missale Ambrosianum del 1954 edito dal beato Schuster). Il celebrante sarà monsignor Attilio Cavalli Penitenziere emerito della chiesa cattedrale.  La messa di Legnano si affianca a quella già da molti anni esistente in Milano, alla chiesa del Gentilino. Sappiamo che ci sono state resistenze verso il motu proprio. Questa notizia sta però a significare che se il documento papale non viene brandito come una rivincita-rivendicazione, e i fedeli attaccati all’antico rito si muovono nell’ottica della comunione ecclesiale, è possibile ottenere ciò che si chiede.

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Fr. Z on the road again

I am on my way to the Philadelphia/Camden area, to spend some time with Fr. Pasley at Mater Ecclesiae in Berlin, NJ.

There will be a celebration of their Forty Hours Devotion, in which I will participate.

I am wondering if anyone is interested in a blognic.  Perhaps in Philly or near Berlin, NJ?

I don’t know what my schedule is, or what Fr. Pasley has planned.  I know that during a few days next week we will be going to see Gettysburg and visiting Annapolis.  Perhaps the evening of Thursday 23rd might be best.  Otherwise, I suppose tomorrow morning, Saturday, or maybe even after the main Sunday Mass (TLM, of course) at Mater Ecclesiae.

As a matter of fact, that time after Mass might be good.

Again, this is subject to Fr. Pasley’s designs and wishes as well.

I’m just askin’…
 

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QUAERITUR: Why would someone under 60 want to attend the TLM?

From a reader:

Dear Father,

I have been asked by several people in my parish "Why in the world would anyone under 60 want to attend [that] Mass?!". Some of these very same people are fast approaching that age. I have expressed some of the reasons I attend, but since I am 66, it only reinforces their statement.

I always bring up the reverence first and some do understand that, although they think if they, themselves are reverent it matters not how the priest or Mass is. Next I address their objections to "the priest with his back to the people" by telling them he is not turning his back to us, but is leading us to God.

It just goes on & on. I get frustrated & usually just give up. Maybe you or some of those who read your wonderful blog can help me.

 

Who can respond?

I believe that the older form of Mass helps us achieve what is the fundamental point of liturgy: an encounter with mystery.

We can expand or go in another direction.

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QUAERITUR: Are bishops obliged to establish “personal parishes”?

From a reader:

Dear Father Z:

Some people in Glasgow are considering asking Archbishop Conti for a personal parish.
They are going to get some names of people who want one – a petition – and present them to His Excellency.

Then, since they expect a refusal, they intend to appeal to Rome, as the Archbishop is obligated to provide them with a full-time, all-Traditional parish in a convenient location.

I don’t believe that is the case, but they insist there is documentation to that effect.

I wouldn’t mind petitioning the Archbishop, but I am afraid that they may just be spoiling for a fight or something.

Do you know of anything written that indicates an Archbishop must provide people with a full-time personal parish if they request it?

No, I don’t think the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum obliges a bishop to establish a "personal parish".

The Motu Proprio obliges parish priests, pastors, to give some sort of positive response to members of the faithful who make a request.  But that is at the level of the parish.

If the priest at the parish cannot (or will not) do what he can so that reasonable requests are met, then the diocesan bishop is obliged to do something.  What that "something" is is not spelled out.  My reading of the relevant paragraphs leads me to think that he is strenuously urged to provide Masses at the least, somewhere in someway.  He really should provide for the people’s needs.  One war of responding could be the establishment of a "personal parish". 

 

If we consider that there may be only a handful of people in various parishes requesting unwilling or unable pastors for the older Mass, it makes sense, in a way, to set up a "personal parish" so that those people can have their legitimate needs fulfilled.  As a beginning, that can be a good solution.

However, I am cautiously supportive of "personal parishes".  The caution comes from the need to avoid creating an isolated community, a ghetto as it were, thus diminishing the possibility that the older Mass will also be established in other parishes of the area. 

Summorum Pontificum is really aimed at the parish level, more than the diocesan level.  However, the "personal parish" is, probably, a necessary step in some places.  It can be a good solution in the beginning.

If I were in any way involved with that group of people, whom you suggest might be trying to pick a fight… or at the least going into this process with a chip on their shoulders… I would warmly recommend that they adopt a warm and cordial tone.  They can urge and insist, but they would be well advised to keep it friendly and respectful, leaving aside what the bishop will probably just take as threats and challenges to his authority. 

That usually doesn’t work very well with bishops, by the way. 

You are practically guaranteeing long delays and frustration by going into this with an attitude.
 

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Trooping the Sabine line

Birds both large and small are here this morning.

About 20 wild turkeys trooped the line this morning.

I only had the big lens handy, so I couldn’t get the whole line.

Still… as a contrast…

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A glimpse back to last week

A kind soul from St. Augustine’s parish in S. Saint Paul, MN sent me some photos of the Mass on Sunday 5 October which Archbp. Nienstedt attended. 

Here is the undersigned in choro with an old friend, Fr. Robert Altier.  We have been referred to by our enemies and friends alike as "the Alpha and Omega". 

Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to do talk-radio with him, but I think that would open up a crack in space and time, dogs would start avoiding tunnels, and… as with a couple other possibilities "Mene Mene Tekel Parsin" would mysteriously appear on the walls of liberal clerg rectories and some chancery personnel wherever the show was broadcast.

Here is a shot of the whole sanctuary at the Agnus Dei.

It was a fine celebration and people were very happy that the Archbishop came.
 

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A Sabine oddity

I’ll get to the oddity but first a pretty picture.

Let me preface this by saying there are robins right now.  I have never seen so many robins.

I got a few snaps in the dimming light, but these are fairly good.

Click for larger image.

Clearly they are flocking before their migration southward. 

It was odd.

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QUAERITUR: Black pall for caskets in the Novus Ordo?

A question via e-mail:

With the common occurrence of white vestments at funerals and a corresponding color funeral pall, I wondered about the practice of a black funeral pall for the OF. While black vestments can be used for funerals in the OF, can the funeral pall also be black as it was in the EF? Is the connection between the white funeral pall and the white garment worn at baptism something that might prevent the use of a black funeral pall?

 

Yes… we must remember that before the post-Conciliar innovations the pall, if one was used, was always black, as were the draperies for a catafalque.

I do not believe in the new rite the color of the pall is prescribed.  I have seen various palls, most white, but some of other colors, of elaborate fabrics, brocade, etc. 

The idea behind white is that the last "clothing" of the body echoes the first "clothing" with the white baptismal garment in the rite of baptism. 

However, I haven’t seen anywhere – maybe I simply missed it – anything that prescribes that the color of the pall must be white in the Novus Ordo.

I assume a black pall could be used in the newer funeral rites.

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QUAERITUR: Assistant priest puts an amice over the surplice

This comes via Facebook from a priest reader:

What can you tell me about the use of the amice over the surplice for deacon chaplains and Assisting Priests? The AP at my first Mass wore the amice that way.

There isn’t really too much to say.

There are a few occasions wherein there may be an assistant priest, such as when a bishop pontificates or for the first three solemn Masses of a newly ordained priest.  The assistant does certain things with, for example, the book and especially in the case of the newly ordained, makes sure he doesn’t make a grave mistake.

In this screen capture you can see an assistant priest to the left, in the cope.

Again… the AP is on the left, though he has his cope properly closed over his knees so that you cannot see the cassock.  The deacon "chaplains" sitting with the Cardinal in this shot have their surplices.

He dresses in his cassock, with a surplice (or rochette if can wear one).  He put on the amice over the surplice and then the cope.  I think the idea is that it is he not quite a sacred minister in the sense that the celebrant and deacon and subdeacon are.  He is sort of in between being an MC and a sacred minister.  The amice?  Dunno… that’s just the way it is.

You might be interested to know that in olden times, in processions, priests and deacons used to wear the vestment of their rank, chasuble or dalmatic, but over the surplice, not over an alb, also with the amice over the surplice.

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QUAERITUR: Can the TLM be offered ‘versus populum’?

From Facebook:

Dear Fr. Z,

The priest that celebrates de EF in Buenos Aires, has decided today to do it versus populum quoting a work of Card. Ratzinger that says that the cross must be the focal point or liturgical east. He also says that the rubrics of JXXIII’s missal doesn’t prescribe to celebrate the mass "ad orientem". Is this all right? What can we say to him?
Please, forgive my poor english and thank you very much!

No, there is nothing that requires the TLM (EF) to be celebrated ad orientem.  In Roman Basilicas it was celebrated versus populum because of the way the altar was situated in the sanctuary: on the model of San Pietro, where the celebrant stood at the main altar so as to face the East.  In the ancient Basilica of St. Peter, the people would be directed to turn around also to face the East during the action of the Mass.  So… celebration of Holy Mass to the liturgical East is important in the Roman way of seeing things.

However, nothing specifically prescribes ad orientem worship… though in my opinion it is superior. 

The other thing to consider, and this is important, the sensibilities of the people in the congregation should be considered.  If the people would be upset by an versus populum Mass with the EF, then it probably wouldn’t be a good idea.   There is no sense in doing that merely as a novelty or for shock value, or even because of the priest’s own preference.   The TLM and ad orientem are closely connected.

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