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Ineffable…does that mean really emotional and in needing of guitars and drums?
As a CYM I have a copy and have read most of it. It is very well written – not in the language of the CCC, but in the language of young people without sacrificing the deep truths of the faith. Just as the Church was surprised by the popularity of the CCC among adults, I believe this will be just as popular among teens. It will be in the hands of all of our teens this fall.
Hmm… I have not heard anything about the newest youth catechism. Is it expected to be worthwhile?
Yes, Father Z., young people DO understand the meaning of “ineffable”. Especially because it expresses something that is a complete mystery. Young people get this. Here is what Fr. John Hardon, in his “Modern Catholic Dictionary” writes:
INEFFABLE — That which is inexpressible. Only God is ultimately ineffable because only he cannot be fully comprehended by the finite mind. Since knowledge determines expression, the divine ineffability is a result of the divine incomprehensibility. In the words of St. Augustine, “More true than our speech about God is our thinking of Him, and more true than our thinking is His Being”. (De Trinitate, VII, 4, 7). The people who wrote YouCat have more confidence in the intellects of the young than you seem to, dear Fr. Z.
YouCat is excellent! The question remains whether or not Catholic dioceses throughout the U.S. will actually use it.
This reminds me of one my favourite uses of “ineffable”, from Douglas Adams’ Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency: “We shall grapple with the ineffable, and see if we may not eff it after all.”
Gasp! Oh the humanity! Whatever will the young folks do? Big words? It’s toooo hard! There may be ‘gales of laughter’ after all, the bitter pill lady said so!
… Come to think of it, another great use of “ineffable” is in the (protestant) hymn “O Worship the King”: “O measureless might, ineffable love”, which begins one of the (inexhaustibly numerous) verses.
It is difficult to describe what ‘ineffable’ means. The music of the ‘St. Louis Jesuits’. Now that is
effable
Slightly off-topic, but I don’t care for the name much…reminds me of “YouTube”…it’s all about “you”…
IMHO…. efforts such as this will do little to nothing. Real youth work is teaching young people Latin, Chant, Sacred Art, History, the Classics….give them Western Civilization!!!!! I’ve worked in youth apostolate for years and have seen these same ideas and concepts be recycled over and over again. The kids don’t care and they don’t really get excited about it. What they do get excited about is Tradition, Devotion, and Beauty! Why re-create the wheel of education and the “handing on of the faith” in a banal and pandering way. Give them Tradition!!!! Give them the Faith in all it’s treasures and majesty!!!! Give them a challenge!!
Fr. Z,
Could you please make this known:
Saturday, July 9, 2011
Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception
Washington, DC
2:00 p.m. Mass Our Lady of Czestochowa Chapel
Joseph Cardinal Zen Ze-kium, SDB
Bishop Emeritus of Hong Kong
http://www.nationalshrine.com/site/c.osJRKVPBJnH/b.4747957/k.C7F8/Calendar/apps/cd/content.asp?event_id={A0FE5660-4E33-46B4-A738-67A058C07836}&content_id={BCD9026E-E0D8-49DA-A807-7E1E38F76802}&seid=
Just wanted to note my agreement with flyfree432. The youth catechism is a great resource, and one that speaks in a more accesible way than the CCC without dumbing down the content of the faith.
For those with good things to say about YouCat, any thoughts on the inclusion of quotes from Martin Luther (and other non-Catholics)? I have not seen the YouCat myself and have only read one person’s blog about it.
http://catholicchampion.blogspot.com/2011/05/youcat-quotes-cause-for-scandal.html
As a child I learned the word ineffable (though I don’t think I immediately knew what it meant) from “The Naming of Cats” from the musical Cats, which is directly from TS Eliot’s “Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats.” This is the wonderful last stanza:
When you notice a cat in profound meditation,
The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
His mind is engaged in a rapt contemplation
Of the thought, of the thought, of the thought of his name:
His ineffable effable
Effanineffable
Deep and inscrutable singular Name.
I am a Boston College student, and I will be attending World Youth Day next month with a group from BC. I hear that this catechism will be given to all who participate in WYD. I look forward to reading through it.
Fr. Joseph Fessio, S.J., discusses YOUCAT…
The moment I saw this posting, I thought, “SAT buzzword”:
SAT Preparation – ineffable – sample word for SAT prep
I wish there was a “like” option as there is on facebook.
That is how children were taught to use dictionaries! Consubstantial!
Such is education, but our prelates do not believe in such and work on the basis that thir flocks are incapable of understanding.
I’m a young priest and bought this out of excitement. But then it came in. While it has good information in it, why does it (and every book for teens) have to designed to give you sensory overload? It looks like it is written for someone with ADD! Why are textbooks written like that these days? It’s annoying!
I received a copy a week ago while I was in St. Louis from Monsignor Pins, the rector of the basilica. He was very excited about it. I’ll be writing a review in the not so distant future, but at first/second/third glance, I think it is a very important project for the proliferation of the faith and, given that it will go to everyone at WYD, a source for conversion of mind and heart.
If you’re saying that “ineffable” is a word that young people are not smart enough to understand, how do you expect the Church to survive?
Kids learn new words in many ways. As was already said,
they can use dictionaries to look up a new word. Or someone can explain a new word to them. Someone like a parents, a CCD teacher, or a priest.
OK, not “a parents” but “a parent” or “their parents” or someone in loco parentis.
Must get coffee…
Elizabeth D: I love that. His ineffable effable
Effanineffable
Deep and inscrutable singular Name.
I consulted with my cat, whose effanineffable name is Kitty, and she says that what Father Z was alluding to is that if words like ‘ineffable’ can be used in a catechism for youth, why is it assumed that their parents need to have everything brought down to the LCD?
Might we conclude from your observation that neither His Excellency, the Bishop of Erie, nor the Pastor of the Cathedral of St. James in Seattle, were likely contributors to, or editors of, paragraph 183?
;-)
Pax et bonum,
Keith Töpfer
The late great Douglas Adams covered ineffability in Mostly Harmless, the fifth and final book of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy trilogy.