CNS: Fordham U. Prof. defends late-term abortionist Tiller as “compassionate”

From the Cardinal Newman Society:

Fordham Prof. Defends Late-Term Abortionist Tiller As “Compassionate.”

A professor at a Catholic college, who also sits on the board of a pro-abortion rights organization, described late term abortionist George Tiller as “compassionate” and said she believed working at a Catholic institution as well as a pro-abortion rights organization is “consistent.”

Fordham University Sociology Professor Jeanne Flavin, who moonlights as President of the Board of the National Advocates for Pregnant Women, an organization committed to “advancing reproductive and human rights for all women and families” wrote a piece in which she defended late term abortionist George Tiller as “compassionate.”

In Footnotes, a publication of the American Sociological Association, Flavin wrote that she believed late term abortionist George Tiller delivered “compassionate” care.


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  1. jarhead462 says:

    Fire her…Right now.

    Semper Fi!

  2. SonofMonica says:

    Marking another “Catholic” college off the list for my child…

  3. DisturbedMary says:

    It’s real easy to be pro-choice when you’re not the one being killed.

  4. Leonius says:

    Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter.

    Woe to you that rue wise in your own eyes, and prudent in your own conceits. Woe to you that are mighty to drink wine, and stout men at drunkenness. That justify the wicked for gifts, and take away the justice of the just from him. Therefore as the tongue of the fire devoureth the stubble, and the heat of the dame consumeth it: so shall their root be as ashes, and their bud shall go up as dust: for they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and have blasphemed the word of the Holy One of Israel. Therefore is the wrath of the Lord kindled against his people, and he hath stretched out his hand upon them, and struck them: and the mountains were troubled, and their carcasses became as dung in the midst of the streets. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

    And he will lift up a sign to the nations afar off, and will whistle to them from the ends of the earth: and behold they shall come with speed swiftly. There is none that shall faint, nor labour among them: they shall not slumber nor sleep, neither shall the girdle of their loins be loosed, nor the latchet of their shoes be broken. Their arrows are sharp, and all their bows are bent. The hoofs of their horses shall be like the hint, and their wheels like the violence of a tempest. Their roaring like that of a lion, they shall roar like young lions: yea they shall roar, and take hold of the prey, and they shall keep fast hold of it, and there shall be none to deliver it. And they shall make a noise against them that day, like the roaring of the sea; we shall look towards the land, and behold darkness of tribulation, and the light is darkened with the mist thereof.

    The prophet Isaias

  5. MyBrokenFiat says:

    More proof proper theology isn’t taught in schools.

    “Consistent” is NOT POSSIBLE when you’re speaking of this! *Shakes head*

    Can we please, please, PLEASE get a bunch of bishops on board with readily excommunicating folks who spread this fallacy?

  6. Gail F says:

    That is one sick organization — National Advocates for Pregnant Women! They advocate that pregnant women should be able to stop being pregnant women, I guess.

  7. Peggy R says:

    I knew the prof would be a “she.” She “moonlights” with the abortion crowd.

  8. Clinton says:

    I too would love to see our bishops take a firm stand with these so-called Catholic institutions.
    However, I believe that most of these universities have removed themselves from any effective
    oversight from their ordinaries. The days are long past when a bishop had the legal means,
    under canon and civil law, to shepherd these institutions. Just think of Notre Dame’s shabby
    treatment of Bishop D’Arcy before, during and after the controversial award it gave Obama.
    It is a fact that a federal government that is increasingly hostile to the Church has a greater say
    in what goes on in a Catholic university than does the local bishop.

    What about the culpability we laity have in all of this? We continue to give our children over to
    these horrible places, and pay top dollar to have their faith removed. I don’t recall hearing of
    heterodox programs ended, or heterodox instructors removed, because alumni got together
    and demanded change. To my knowledge, parents and alumni and donors have stood by
    quietly while Catholic colleges took federal monies and increasingly let the government call the
    tune, to the detriment of the Faith.

  9. disco says:

    I don’t know about consistent. More like “typical”

  10. disco says:

    I don’t know about “consistent”. More like “typical”

  11. 15yankees says:

    I long ago stopped calling my alma mater, Fordham College, a Catholic institution. I long ago stopped making financial contributions to it and never recommend it.
    Five years ago I steered my nephew away from Fordham and to the City College of New York. Bottom line – he got a great education at a fraction of the cost – and did not add to the auto-destruction of a once great Catholic college.


  12. Long-Skirts says:


    Fall fall
    Fall the leaves
    As the blood-red Autumn
    Sighs and grieves

    For in the gentle
    Blood-fed womb
    Leaves are crushed
    An Autumn tomb

    “And the Word made Flesh”
    For “excommunication”
    But flesh wouldn’t say…
    So exoneration.

    Nor did flesh demand
    Or articulate
    Only “morally-bankrupt”
    Not “excommunicate!”

    So fall fall
    Fall the leaves
    The blood-red Autumn
    Sighs and grieves

    In the land of the blind
    One-eyed man’s king
    But on his head
    Autumn blood will cling!

  13. Clinton says:

    I’d like to amend the rant I posted earlier. While it is true that we laity– parents, alumni, and
    donors– have not done much to keep Catholic institutions to the straight and narrow, there is
    the Cardinal Newman Society. I certainly do not mean to lump them in with the rest of us,
    because they’ve done yeoman’s work fighting the rot in Catholic higher education.

  14. Why are these people not publicly excommunicated?!?

  15. Xmenno says:

    Years ago, (around 1990), I dated the bank trust officer who handled George Tiller’s trust accounts. He told me how much money Tiller deposited each month. After all his overhead, salaries, living expenses etc. the amount was amazing. This trust officer, now deceased, was certainly unethical in telling me this, but since that moment I have known that Tiller absolutely gave compassionate care – to himself.

  16. Bryan Boyle says:

    Father…maybe you SHOULD have visited the Bronx Zoo and crossed Southern Blvd to sprinkle a couple pounds of blessed salt and fire truck full of holy water on the FU campus while you were there…just in the neighborhood, you understand…afterwards you could have gone down to 187th street and Belmont Ave (from whence Dion and The Belmonts hailed…) and sampled some of the delicacies of the Bronx’s “Little Italy” to wash the vile taste of wormwood out.

  17. Clinton says:

    “Why are these people not publicly excommunicated?!?”– Catherine Beier @ 5:45pm

    I’m not entirely sure that Professor Flavin is Catholic. Even if she is, I’m not sure that what she
    is doing is, under canon law, an excommunicable offense. Dr. Ed Peters, in his blog “In the
    Light of the Law”
    has recently written an article re: Illinois Governor Quinn and his
    pro-abortion actions. I’m certainly not a canon lawyer, nor am I sure that what Dr. Peters has
    to say about the Quinn case is entirely applicable to the Flavin matter, as she is not a politician.
    However, Dr. Peters is a very highly respected canon law expert, and what he has to say about
    the bishops’ abilities to apply excommunication in these sorts of cases is educational.

    Fr. Z provides a link to Dr. Peters’ blog In the Light of the Law in the sidebar to the
    right, under the heading “Some Blogs I Keep Track Of”.

  18. RANCHER says:

    Most of the once Catholic Jesuit run colleges and universities (and my alma mater is one) stopped being Catholic decades ago just like most so-called Catholic hospitals have. I just wish it were possible legally to force them to stop using Catholic as a description or as part of their name.

  19. Traductora says:

    Fordham hasn’t been a Catholic institution in terms of faith or moralith for many a long year. But why in the world are these colleges allowed to keep on calling themselves “Catholic”? That’s the only thing I don’t understand.

  20. Christine says:

    My oldest sister went to Fordham. She lost her faith there. I wouldn’t send my dog to Fordham and I tell everyone I can.

  21. The same argument was made at the House Energy and Commerce Committee/Health Subcommittee hearing on 2 November titled “Do New Health Law Mandates Threaten Conscience Rights and Access to Care?”

    I followed a link from the Cardinal Newman Society page and read the testimony presented, and was temporarily overwhelmed by the magnitude of evil in the ‘true testimony’ of Jon O’Brien (President, Catholics for Choice) and Mark Hathaway, MD, MPH (Director of Obstetrics and Gynecology Outreach Services for Women’s and Infants’ Services, Washington Hospital Center), both of whom argued (among other things) that abortion was “compassionate care” that enabled women to get out of poverty/build meaningful lives/yada yada.

    The absolute contempt for and dismissal of the Church’s authority, especially from Mr. O’Brien, was abhominable. As if statistics on so-and-so percent of ‘Catholics’ disagree with the Magisterium, therefore the Magisterium has no authority! My husband wondered how someone who is not in authority in the Church even had the standing to address that committee. I suspect that he was chosen to “balance”, i.e., cancel out, the testimony of the faithful Catholics, and by extension, the Church’s influence, there.

    What Mr. O’Brien obviously does not understand is that, by arguing that Catholic institutions, businesspersons, and individuals do not have the right to a religious objection, he further undermines the constitutional rights of all Americans, and true human rights. I am reminded of Martin Niemöller: “First they came for…”

    Kyrie eleison.

  22. jimsantafe says:

    Sadly, this sort of thing is hardly news. It’s time to honestly acknowledge that many, perhaps most historically Catholic colleges have entirely embraced the secular culture. In their literature and websites they commonly describe themselves using terms like “a leading university in the Jesuit tradition.” They openly defy their bishops, proudly celebrate dissent, and entirely subvert Catholic values.

    The best course is to recognize them for what they are: Secular institutions with a Catholic past. Thank God that we have new, faithful colleges to fill the void. Spread the word so that families may choose authentic Catholic colleges!

  23. Supertradmum says:

    Years ago, the Vatican asked that the Oath and Promise being taken by all Catholic instructors, from elementary to university level. Most of the Catholic educational systems are in disobedience to Rome on this point. Pope John Paul II’s Apostolic Letter Motu Proprio Ad Tuendam Fidem, this Profession of Faith and Oath of Fidelity supercedes the Profession and Oath of 1989 and is found on several sites online….

  24. irishgirl says:

    This is disgusting-and I didn’t even go to college, much less a so-called ‘catholic’ one!
    There’s a [supposedly] Jesuit college here in the central part of Upstate NY, and that one now has a layman as its president. Apparently no ‘Jebbies’ are around anymore.
    Please, St. Ignatius of Loyola, I’ve said it before: lean down from heaven and give a good-sized Basque SLAP at these wayward sons of yours!

  25. tealady24 says:

    Hopefully, George Tiller can hear this praise, through the fires of hell.

  26. Nicole says:

    By calling G. Tiller “compassionate” was she referring to his personal desire to be dismembered or otherwise harmed in utero or what?

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