Brick by Brick! Bishop by Bishop!

From a reader:

I thought you might like to know that the Auxiliary Bishop of
Indianapolis, Bishop Christopher Coyne, celebrated an ad orientem Anglican Use Mass with Confirmations and a First Communion. Here is a link to the info: HERE

You have written about Bishop Coyne before when he blogged about why he didn’t go to Confession to a priest who used the wrong words at Mass. He has also celebrated Confirmations in the EF.

Full Fr. Z Kudos to Bp. Coyne!

Indeed I have written about him before. HERE

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  1. Deirdre Mundy says:

    In other Indianapolis news, according to the diocesan paper, the new Director of Spiritual Formation at St. Meinrad’s is a Latin Mass guy……

    So, good news for young seminarians!

  2. therecusant says:


    Who is the new Director of Spiritual Formation?

  3. APX says:

    Aren’t all Anglican Use Masses celebrated ad orientem?

  4. Deo volente says:

    Fr. Z.,

    This news is great! Sadly, Chiesa is posting this story today. Care to “fisk it?” I hoped you wouldn’t miss it…
    [Removed by Fr. Z]


    [The story you linked to has NOTHING TO DO with the topic here.]

  5. MAJ Tony says:

    Deirdre, I’m not sure where you got that bit about Fr. (Peter) Marshall, new Dir. Spiritual Formation, being a Latin Mass guy. He is the current admin for Holy Rosary, but not necessarily a “Latin Mass guy” though I believe he intends to learn it. We have, until 30 Jun, Fr. Magiera, FSSP. After that, we have Fr. McCarthy, who will be celebrating all three (AU, OF, EF) until and unless we get an FSSP priest to cover those Masses.

    I was supposed to sing this Mass, but work got in the way. All of the AU masses are “ad orientem” from the offeratory until the end of Mass.

  6. MAJ Tony says:

    BTW, the previous Archabbot, Lambert Reilly, OSB, IS a Latin Mass Guy extraordinaire. Too bad he spends most of his time back in PA with his ailing brother (last I heard). He used to travel to places like the Carmelite monastery in Des Plaines, IL and pray the Holy Sacrifice for them on occassion. Might have been a Pont. High Mass even (IDK).

  7. frjim4321 says:

    I wonder if this was a “restored order” confirmation followed by first communion? Otherwise, the children look rather young for confirmation.

  8. bernadettem says:

    As far as I know all Anglican Use/Ordinariate parishes have both the Confirmation and First Holy Communion at the same time.

    The parishes I know of are very traditionalist in the Liturgy and also in all their services, i.e. Evening Prayer, Benediction etc.

    There is lots of kneeling, incense, genuflecting and bowing at the Glory Be and the name of Jesus.

    I attend both an Anglican Use parish and a very traditional Latin Rite parish. It can be a little confusing as the words in the Creed and With Thy Spirit instead of With Your Spirit are a little different.

  9. Athelstan says:

    Hello APX,

    Aren’t all Anglican Use Masses celebrated ad orientem?

    No, not yet – but many are. And the move appears to be toward making it normative in the Anglican Use.

    The Anglican Use of the Roman Rite was originally set up in the 1983 “Book of Divine Worship” (an amalgam of the 1979 Book of Common Prayer and the Novus Ordo) as part of John Paul II’s Pastoral Provision for converting Anglicans, mainly for the handful of Anglican parishes that came over wholesale (most of them were in Texas). The rubrics did not require ad orientem, but a few locales did begin celebrating it ad orientem.

    With the advent of the Ordinariates, it was realized that the Book of Divine Worship – generally seen as a problematic liturgy, a product of its time when Rome would approve nothing better – needed a major overhaul. A new Anglican Use missal has just been approved and will be released for use later this year in Anglican Use communities (nearly all of them are now in the Ordinariates), and it will be far more traditional in structure and language, something considerably closer to the Traditional Roman Rite and the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. It is not clear exactly what it sill say about rubrics of liturgical orientation, but it is believed that it will be predicated upon celebration ad orientem as normative.

    Indeed, the Ordinariate in the UK recently issued new liturgical guidelines for its own communities in advance of the new missal, and among them are these directives: “5. Where the dynamic of the building allows it, the ancient practice of ad orientem celebration is commended.” And: “6. Where versus populum celebration of the sacred liturgy is necessary, the placing of a standing crucifix with the corpus turned towards the celebrant, in the centre of the altar, is commended.” It is worth noting that most Ordinariate communities in the UK are currently compelled to share space with existing diocesan parishes, and the sanctuary architecture is not always…felicitous. In the U.S., fortunately, most have their own churches already.

    In the U.S., I believe the majority of Ordinariate parishes celebrate the Anglican Use ad orientem. I am less clear how things are done in the Australian Ordinariate.

  10. CharlesG says:

    I assist at an EF mass and sing in the schola, but frankly, I would be just as happy with an OF ad orientem, with communion at kneelers and in the mouth, and with decent old hymns in English and/or Latin and at least fairly frequent chant propers in English and/or Latin. Some of the things lacking in the OF being lamented above, i.e., the prayers at the foot of the altar, the offertory prayers, the confiteor, the Amens in the Canon that are optional in the OF, are all said silently in our EF missa cantata and so their absence would little affect my experience at mass. Yes, I have read those words in the EF Missal and I know they are there, and I am sure they are an important part of the priest’s and servers’ experience of the EF mass, but I don’t feel they are an important part of this layman’s experience. (On the other hand, I do miss the Asperges and Marian antiphons now when I assist at the OF.) In many ways, I prefer the greater participatory aspect of the Novus Ordo and greater awareness of what the priest is doing and saying. I feel that for me it is the lack of reverence and decent sacred music drawing upon tradition that annoys me most about how the OF is often celebrated, and drives me to attend the EF and participate in a schola. I refuse to join a choir to sing lousy Haugen/Haas ditties, and that is all that’s available at English OF masses hereabouts. And yes, I prefer the new OF lectionary — I love the three year cycle with a different synoptic gospel each year and a look in to Old Testament typology every Sunday. The OF is perfectly orthodox and was adopted by lawful authority, and is fully Our Lord’s sacrifice. The EF is the tradition, has terrific chant music accompanying it, and should be widely available, as Pope Benedict provided. But I wish people would encourage and rejoice in improvements to the OF to make it more reverent and traditional. I just hate the way so many EF proponents always feel the need to dump on the OF itself (as opposed to how it is celebrated).

  11. Venerator Sti Lot says:

    Dear Fr. Z,

    Before ‘flushing me down the memory hole’ again, allow me to make a case for Deo Volente’s link, and the diverse responses – at least as far as the post’s title goes!

    Do you know the old B&W film of John Wyndham’s Midwich Cuckoos, where (spoiler alert) the mid-reading alien-spawn are trying to see what someone is thinking, and he is concentrating on a mental picture of a brick wall, and they are gettignthe mortar sift sown, and the bricks to shake out of place? Well, if we may allegorize, and bishop by bishop (or cardinal, archbishop, aut al.) is falling away like brick by brick, is that not tangentially ‘relevant’? Of course a separate post would be preferable, but wht not non solus sed etiam?

  12. Venerator Sti Lot says:

    Och, metathesis, and other monstrosities!: “mind-reading”, “getting the mortar to sift down”, and “why”, of course! (Lest the chopper is coming to chop off my Log in, thank you for letting me comment here till now! I have enjoyed it!)

  13. Athelstan says:

    Hello Charles,

    But I wish people would encourage and rejoice in improvements to the OF to make it more reverent and traditional.

    I’m a fairly strict traddy – only the TLM or a very traditional Anglican Use for me – but I agree, and I try to do so. The perfect cannot be the enemy of the good, and for the time being the OF remains the normative Mass for 98%+ of Roman Catholics in the U.S. Also, I find that charity is more effective in making the case for Tradition.

    I will only add that for me, as for many other traditionalists I know, it’s not really about the Latin and the incense and the vestments, but the differences in the prayers and structure of the Missals. I find the 1970 Missal, even in the original Latin, to be theologically impoverished, not just in the propers, but the ordinary, the calendar and the lectionary, too. But that does not make the Pauline Missal invalid or illicit, or deny that graces flow through it, or that some ways of celebrating it are objectively better than others, and should be encouraged when a TLM just is not an option.

    And to this end, celebration (at least of the Canon) ad orientem is a very good place to start.

  14. Venerator Sti Lot says:


    Thanks for all the detail! Do you know how much (if any) of the language will be Cranmerian (-Henrican-Sexto-Edwardian-Elizabethan-Jacobean-Primo-&-Secundo-Caroline)?

    And, will any of it be available online (like all the fascinating material – included Latin translations of the Book of Common Prayer for the learned)?

    With respect to ad orientem, it is interesting to note that in 1958, Stephen Neill in his Anglicanism said, “hardly anyone now living has ever seen the Communion celebrated as Cranmer intended it to be celebrated” – before launching into a most intriguing reconstruction (pp. 74-76) which includes what he believes the explanation of “the otherwise mysterious complaint of the Cornish rebels that the Communion had been turned into ‘a Christmas game’.”

  15. Stephen Matthew says:

    There were efforts afoot to bring the Anglican Use to St. Meinrad on an occasional basis, though I don’t know if that has yet happened, Fr. Marshall’s appointment would seem to make that more likely to come to fruition.

    MAJ Tony:
    Archabbot Lambert returned to the monastery this past academic year and now serves as one of the spiritual directors for seminarians, among other duties.

    The newish college seminary in Indianapolis recently completed significant chapel renovations and expansions, and while not generally used ad orientem, it is both reasonably aesthetically pleasing and traditional, and it would be easy to imagine it being used in such a fashion.

  16. Adam Welp says:

    I am happy to hear that my Aux. Bishop was the celebrant for this Mass. I’m going to have to take the trip up I-65 some time to attend an Anglican Use Mass one of these days.

    As for the EF/Anglican Use at St. Meinrad, I believe it wouldn’t work in the wreckovated Archabbey church (or it would look really out of place). A beautiful but cramped alternative, IMHO, would be the chapel at the Monte Cassino Shrine.

  17. Athelstan says:

    Hello Venerator,

    Thanks for all the detail! Do you know how much (if any) of the language will be Cranmerian (-Henrican-Sexto-Edwardian-Elizabethan-Jacobean-Primo-&-Secundo-Caroline)?

    I’ve not seen it myself – anything I know is second hand. Nothing has been released yet to anyone.

    But I think we’re talking something much closer to 1662 than 1979, if you get my drift. Caroline Divines. With the original penitential prayers essentially intact.

    And, will any of it be available online (like all the fascinating material – included Latin translations of the Book of Common Prayer for the learned)?

    I certainly hope so!

    (But I have no idea.)

  18. JonPatrick says:

    I would love to go to an Anglican Use Mass but there are very few in this part of New England. Probably because there weren’t many Anglicans/Episcopalians to start with. The Puritans/Congregationalists with their established church in the 17th century drove out most of the competition. The few Episcopal parishes left here seem to be dying out, not much chance of their being an Ordinariate parish here. We do have a couple of TLM’s nearby so I can’t complain.

  19. Deirdre Mundy says:

    Oh! I just assumed that if you were in charge of Holy Rosary, you were a Latin Mass guy! We live down in Tell City, IN, so I don’t have a great sense for Indianapolis itself. Sorry!

  20. Adam Welp says:


    When I lived in Jasper, I used to work at a call center in Tell City (that is until they transferred me to New Albany). How are things in the land of the “River Rats” these days? ;) A couple things I miss about living and working in that neck of the woods is the wonderful drives through farm country and the ability to swing through St. Meinrad on my way home for a visit to the Archabbey and to visit my grandparents graves in the parish cemetary.

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