It seems Francis isn’t a big fan of homosexualist Jesuit James Martin

I think that Jesuit homosexualist activist James Martin is probably pretty bright.  He has found a niche wherein he excels.  He has carefully cultivated an image.   Since his message perfectly dovetails with “the wisdom of this world”, adored by the MSM, and since it also has the support of the Enemy of the soul, how could be fail but to be a celebrity?  He makes people feel good about behaviors and inclinations that they shouldn’t feel good about.

I have hope for James Martin.

Saul was a mighty effective persecutor of the Church before his conversion.  But his successes before conversion were nothing compared to his impact later.

Augustine was probably a great recruiter for the Manicheans before his conversion.   But he is sometimes thought of now as the second founder of Christianity.

I think James Martin, with a real conversion, could be of enormous help to a community in the Church who are in serious trouble and who need the straight stuff.

I read at CNA that James Martin came up in a conversation between US bishops and Francis during an ad limina visit.

Remember that Archbp. Chaput had written about the problems Martin caused with his highly crafted ambiguity and innuendo.  Then the “photo op” took place, and Martin weaponized it.

The news:

.- During a private meeting with bishops from the southwestern United States, Pope Francis talked about his 2019 meeting with Fr. James Martin, SJ, and about pastoral care and assisted suicide.

The pope met Feb. 10 for more than two hours with bishops from New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming.

Several bishops present at the meeting told CNA that in addition to discussions about his then-pending exhortation on the Amazon region, and on the challenges of transgenderism and gender ideology, Pope Francis discussed his Sept. 30 meeting with Martin, an American Jesuit who is well-known for speaking and writing about the Church’s ministry to people who identify themselves as LGBT.

“The Holy Father’s disposition was very clear, he was most displeased about the whole subject of Fr. Martin and how their encounter had been used. He was very expressive, both his words and his face –  his anger was very clear, he felt he’d been used,” one bishop told CNA.

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In fact, one bishop at the meeting told CNA that Pope Francis has said he “made his displeasure clear” about the way the meeting was interpreted, and framed by some journalists.

“He told us that the matter had been dealt with; that Fr. Martin had been given a ‘talking to’ and that his superiors had also been spoken to and made the situation perfectly clear to him,” another bishop said.

“I do not think you will be seeing that picture of him with the pope on his next book cover,” the bishop told CNA.

For his part, Martin told CNA Feb. 20 that “I can’t comment on what the Holy Father told me, since he asked me not to share the details with the media, other than to say that I felt profoundly inspired, consoled and encouraged by our half-hour audience in the Apostolic Palace, which came at his invitation.”

Two bishops told CNA that Martin’s work in regards to the LGBT community was also discussed with the heads of numerous Vatican congregations, and that some officials expressed concern about aspects of the priest’s work.

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21 Responses to It seems Francis isn’t a big fan of homosexualist Jesuit James Martin

  1. Red A Surcami says:

    Francis will say and present whatever face he needs to in the moment. He would adeptly present this face to the visiting Bishops to appease them and send them on their way. But he will equally use Martin to promote his snide attitude about Orthodox Catholics. And if he thinks Martin is using him, why can he not see how Soros and the globalists are playing him like a cheap fiddle?
    I have no respect left for Francis. I think this is a case of “methinks thou doth protest too much.”
    I don’t see this as a sudden epiphany and return to being a good custodian of the Church.
    My opinion.

  2. JamesA says:

    More intentional Peronist confusion from Francis.
    Say one thing, contradict it later.
    But the damage that was done won’t be reversed.
    Crazy like a fox.

  3. ChrisP says:

    More weaponised ambiguity. Francis may have said this about Martin, but Martin stills holds an official media role with the Vatican does he not? Same with the Cardinal who muttered something about change in teaching on anything.

    It will be a bit of a snub to Martin though as his opponents can always rightly point this repudiation out.

  4. mysticalrose says:

    This has got to be the very dictionary entry for “gaslighting.”

  5. Cy says:

    Coccopalmerio
    Vatican
    Raid
    July 2017
    HF says “zero tolerance” approach.

    Look it up!

  6. samwise says:

    Timing is interesting in that Chaput just retired…Can Francis still make Chaput a Cardinal? Wonder if Gomez has any hope…

  7. monstrance says:

    Would like to know who brought up Fr Jimmy during this meeting with the SW USA bishops.
    I doubt it was the bishops.
    The Holy Father has been on a peace tour with the conservative wing of the Church of late.

  8. tho says:

    The U. S. Supreme Court made homosexuality itself, and homosexual marriage mainstream. The deciding vote in both cases was cast by Justice Anthony Kennedy, a Roman Catholic. Then, as now there are a tiny minority of Bishops, who will stand up and say that the church is adamantly opposed to such a life style. It is really a sign of disrespect for the teaching of the church. Our prelates, in effect, are telling us that they know more than 2020 years of scripture based tradition.
    A sincerely hope that Father Martin has a conversion story, to one day tell us, but until then, he is leading, and giving false hope to many homosexual Catholics.

  9. Prayerful says:

    Francis is so cunning, pagan one day, spirit of V2 ultra the next, disciple of JP2, the day after.

  10. The Astronomer says:

    Gaslighting is the psychological term for “Don’t stand there taking a wizz on my leg and try to convince me it’s raining lemonade.”

    Certain sections of the upper Church hierarchy are professionals at ‘gaslighting,’ including Peronists.

  11. Benedictus says:

    I agree with most of the comments that are listed above. This is very Peronist. Say one thing to a group, and then say the exact opposite to the other group.

    Didn’t he say this to Bishop Schneider as well as far as the Abu Dhabi statement: Bishop Snyder’s interpretation was correct, and then later we confirmed his Abu Dhabi statement.

    What happened to our lord’s commandment: let your yes be yes, and your no be no.

    Fr. Brokeback Martin Was promoted by PF.

    Imagine the treatment Father Martin would’ve had with Pius the 10th in contrast to this papacy.

  12. Sayomara says:

    One of the things I’ve wondered about for a while does Fr. Martin get any compensation for his work on Give Us This Day?
    Fr. Martin is listed as a editor has his work printed every month as the first major section before daily readings. That suggests he is getting some money how is the money being used since he has taken a vow of poverty.
    The same with his books and these speaking events. Most people get some compensation for that. Is this more Catholic “Envelope culture.”
    It would seem Fr. Martin has a good business sense.

    I don’t know what Fr. Martin believes or doesn’t believe but from the outside he seems to be doing well for himself

  13. Joe in Canada says:

    Sayomara – Jesuits are allowed to get paid for their work. Their money goes to the Community. If you are suggesting Fr Martin SJ is doing something against his vow of poverty, perhaps you could call his superior. Otherwise your post looks like calumny.

    St Ignatius of Loyola suggested with regards to spiritual direction that the director should try to interpret what the other person says in the most charitable fashion. Perhaps we could give Pope Francis a fair shot, rather than shouting loudly the things we don’t like, and assuming the worst when he says something we like. The recent piece in First Things about Fr Martin SJ seems balanced, charitable, and clear.

  14. Peter Stuart says:

    How stupid would my struggling SSA self have to be to buy into this latest change of direction? If it is a change, or even a direction.

  15. Barnacle says:

    Pope Francis being displeased, and talking to Fr. James’ superiors is not enough, because Fr. James’ destructive publications are not withdrawn, he continues as a consultant in the Vatican, and he continues to have a high MSM profile, spreading his poison at every opportunity. Finger-wagging doesn’t resolve these issues. So like all the above commentators, I’m not swallowing it.

  16. Sayomara says:

    Joe, I’m just saying Fr. Martin is clearly making a lot of money. What is he doing with it? If he is giving it to the community that’s great. But, money corrupts, celebrity corrupts those are things of the world.

    We all fall, I don’t expect him to be perfect but I don’t think transparency to much to ask of anyone in the church right now. Trust is is earned and not given. If you know anything about how he uses the funds he is collecting I would be happy to look it over.

  17. PostCatholic says:

    It appears that Francis was consistent regarding Rev. Martin and CNA had tendentious source(s?) for the article you’ve quoted. Unwrap some fish and you’ll find a development to this story.

  18. G1j says:

    When is the pope going to start teaching magisterially and stop the blatant attacks on our beautiful faith that spew forth from the mouth of this heretical cleric. Just another reason to support the ” Not One Dime” initiative. The laity are becoming increasingly aware that our monetary support is being squandered and inappropriately used instead of advancing the faith. I think of all the hardships our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents endured to faithfully donate their hard earned money for the advancement of our faith. It is difficult to look at what is left of their sacrifices. But, I guess, as long as the pope, cardinals, bishops, and priests are living comfortably, the Church can keep allowing heresy to be preached and passed on as teachings of the Catholic Church. NOT ONE DIME. I monetarily do support many Catholic initiatives within our parish and diocese, but nothing that the chancery can get it’s fingers on. JMJ Pray for Us.

  19. PostCatholic says:

    A second bishop, one from Cheyenne, WY, has now contradicted the CNA article in the NCR. I imagine bishop calling bishop like mastodons across the primaeval swamps, the word “lie” being bellowed from their woolly deeps.

    [For the great mastodon image, not for the attempt to sow division. For my part, I question the motive of any bishop who would give NCR or the tendentious Schlumpf the time of day, much less comments entailing more than “Hello”, “Who?” and “Good bye.”]

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  20. PostCatholic says:

    I borrowed that metaphor from PG Wodehouae. He had aunts instead of bishops in his swamp, of course.

    Still–two bishops on record denying the CNA account from anonymous third prelate is an interesting development.

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