QUAERITUR: How to correct a priest who is getting the rubrics wrong?

From a reader:

A priest has started saying the Extraordinary Form Mass at a local church. The congregation is very thankful, and we make sure to let him know. [Excellent!]

Unfortunately, even though he is enthusiastic about the Extraordinary Form, he doesn’t know the Mass well. It’s  difficult for the servers to correct him. He insists he’s right. It obviously embarrasses him, so we just try to ignore it.

The difficulty comes when he starts to give the servers new instructions.

Is there anything we can do to fix the situation without embarrassing him?

Without embarrassing him.

Well…. this is not really a situation of fraternal correction, unless you are priest.

First, don’t do it in front of anyone else.

It seems to me that, above all, you are rights that he is wrong.  That is to say, be sure of your position before attempting to correct him.

Then, provide proof.  You need evidence.  There is an old phrase: gratis asseritur, gratis negatur… something your assert without evidence is just as easily denied by the one you are telling.

Off the top of my head, perhaps you could offer to pay for a refresher workshop with the FSSP or with the guys at St. John Cantius.

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In lieu, I suggest you get a reliable source such as The Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described by Fortescue and O’Connell reworked by Reid after Summorum Pontificum.  Double-check everything.  Then make a private appointment with Father and bring the book.  As a matter of fact, you could give him a copy of the book!  At the very least, you could bring photo copies of the relevant pages.

You also need to be familiar with the Instruction on Summorum Pontificum issued by the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” entitled Universae Ecclesiae.  

Universae Ecclesiae clarifies that (my emphases):

24. The liturgical books of the forma extraordinaria are to be used as they are.  All those who wish to celebrate according to the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite must know the pertinent rubrics and are obliged to follow them correctly.

In approaching him I wouldn’t be aggressive.  Neither do I think you need to avoid eye-contact as you would when encountering a tiger.  Like a tiger, however, Father may aim an initial blow at your hamstring to immobilize you before he suffocates you with his jaws and subsequently guts you.  Don’t panic.  Remain cordial. Don’t lash back.  Give Shere Khan … er… Father an honorable escape route.  Thank him for the meeting and leave the materials you brought.  After a couple days call and ask when you might be able to see him again.

Do these things, Mowgli, and you probably get some results.

Meanwhile, make sure your will is in order.

 

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Does Mount St. Vincent, a Catholic College in NY, now employ an “abortion doula” prof?

Be sure to check out the feed of the Cardinal Newman Society on the side bar of this blog.

This is from the CNS:

‘Abortion Doula’ Professor Posts Video, But Catholic College Defends Employment

A professor at The College at Mount St. Vincent in New York recorded a video blog detailing her work as an “abortion doula.”  [SICK! A “doula” is a woman who assists women during labor and childbirth.  What a sick, twisted contradiction of terms.]
In 2011, The Cardinal Newman Society first reported on the scandal of Bianca Laureano teaching a course titled “SOC OF HUMAN SEXUALITY” for the Catholic college while volunteering as an “abortion doula.”
But in this video blog, discovered by a Campus Reform reporter in a follow-up to Newman Society’s reports, Professor Laureano discusses how she comforts women undergoing abortions and sometimes fundraises for women who have difficulty paying for the procedure. [That sounds like material cooperation to me.  I suspect that, if true, and if those abortions were in fact procured, she has incurred an excommunication.  If that is the case, she should not be teaching in a Catholic school.]

The Cardinal Newman Society asked the College to verify Laureano’s current employment status, but spokesperson Belle Hann replied, “The College of Mount Saint Vincent has a policy whereby we do not comment upon the employment status of faculty and staff.” The College’s website reveals that Laureano was teaching a “Human Sexuality”course as late as last summer.
Hann also forwarded a comment from the president of the College, Charles Flynn Jr., defending Laureano’s employment. “The college is an independent institution deeply committed to its Catholic identity and mission,” he wrote in a letter to alumni. “We cannot and do not require that employees share faith in Catholic teaching, even the most fundamental Catholic teaching.

?!?

Is there a disconnect in that last part?  Am I missing something?

 

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Opposed to same-sex “marriage”? Burn in Hell!

The MSM and entertainment industry take pains to portray homosexuals (whom they include in their TV shows at a higher percentage than represented in the population watching the shows) as cool, with it, sophisticated, more balanced and poised than their dysfunctional straight counterparts.  No?

On the other hand, I saw this (biretta tip to Pewsitter) at Charisma News:

Human Rights Commissioner Tells Gay Marriage Opponent to ‘Burn in Hell’

A human rights commissioner in Iowa told a Christian opponent of same-sex marriage that he and his entire family should “burn in hell.”

The commissioner, 49-year-old Scott Raasch, sent threatening emails to the Rev. Cary Gordon, who had campaigned against gay marriage.

Yet Raasch still believes he should keep his role on the Human Rights Commission, claiming he would act impartially.

In angry emails, Raasch wrote, “You will get what’s coming to you sooner or later. I hope you rot in hell,” adding, “I think there are many people that deserve to burn in hell … including you and your entire family.

Raasch also wrote, “Now be a good little bigot and go break some more laws.” [Who’s the bigot?]

Raasch has since apologized to Gordon and insists he would hold no bias against people of faith in his role at the Human Rights Commission.  [Riiiiight.]

In his apology, Raasch said, “As I have stated to the City Council, although we disagree on many issues, I hold no bias against religious people generally or against members of Cornerstone and would stand up to protect their legal rights the same as any other protected class.” [“Protected class”… ?  What does that mean?]

Gordon, of Cornerstone World Outreach Church, has accepted the apology but still thinks Raasch should step down from his role on the Commission.

“As a commissioner, you are expected to defend me against anti-religious discrimination,” Gordon said.  [Apart from the fact that having someone who exercises such bad judgment as to write and send that email is getting paid from taxpayer money.]

“Why not do the honorable thing,” he added, “and tender your resignation to the council so that no one in our community has to worry about whether or not you are out to get them with power?”

Can you feel it?  Some people can feel the weather changes in their bones.  Can you sense what’s coming?

As far as “burn in Hell” is concerned, can any of you jog my memory?  Which, again, were the sins that cry to heaven?

 

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UPDATE – REVIEW: CD – “Mater Eucharistiae” – Sacred Music from the Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist

Click HERE to pre-order (release 13 August)

UPDATE 13 August:

Today is the release date of the disc!

 

ORIGINAL POSTING 31 July 2013

In the past I have brought to your gracious attention the music CDs of the wonderful Benedictines of Mary, Queen of Apostles. They have had a couple chart topping discs of sacred music. Many of you have posted your own comments and reactions here.

This month, on 13 August, the Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist are issuing their first music recording.

You know these fine sisters from their teaching work all over these USA and also their recent appearances on “The American Bible Challenge”. They are definitely not your LCWR types. (I’ll bet even they would like this disc!) They were founded by the late John Cardinal O’Connor of New York.  They started in 1997 with 4 sisters.  Now they have 110.  Their average age is 28.  They have a clear identity, they are faithful, and they are obviously happy.

I received a copy of this disc and want to stump for it.

The new disc has selections in Latin and in English, including Gregorian chant, some polyphony, and original compositions. Some of the pieces have instrumental accompaniment, others are a capella.

If you know the discs by the Benedictines, you will find this new disc to be a different experience.  First, the original compositions are particular in style.  Also, the acoustics of their church are different from those of the chapel of the Benedictines.  The Dominicans clearly have a larger space.

When I received the disc, the first time I listened to it was when I was driving around on errands.  In fact, I wound up turning off the car and sitting in a parking lot for a while just to take it in.

As I did for the Benedictines, so too for the Dominicans. Here is a brief montage of a few of a cuts, intended solely to give you a taste of this fine disc. (There might be a couple moments of dissonance, but that is only because I overlapped a couple snippets that clashed. My bad, not theirs.)

For those of you in these USA click HERE.

For those of you in the UK click HERE.

Click to learn more about the Sisters

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Nuns in Arms! Sr. Fiedler runs down Archbp. Sartain as the LCWR Games begin.

The inimitable Sr. Maureen Fiedler has taken it upon her broad shoulder to be spokesone for the LCWR.

We know that a past mentor of the LCWR is annoyed that Archbp. Sartain (appointed by the CDF to keep his eyes on the nuns) is attending the proceedings (starting today) at the Caribe Royale in Orlando. HERE

The old guard is piping up.

From the National Schismatic Reporter (aka Fishwrap) with my emphases and comments:

LCWR: The coming assembly
Maureen Fiedler | Aug. 13, 2013

The website of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) offers this headline: “We welcome new members and new ideas for living religious life into the future.” And this year, some of those new ideas might come from the keynote speaker at the annual LCWR assembly in Orlando, Fla.: Franciscan Sr. Ilia Delio, who directs the Catholic Studies Program at Georgetown University. She is one of the emerging thinkers [what a curious way to put that] emphasizing the “new cosmos story” and, in this case, its relevance for contemporary religious life. [“new cosmos story”… remember last year?  They had a chat about the “noosphere,” “cosmo genesis,” synergistic convergence”…]
But hanging over the entire assembly [like the proverbial Sword of Damocles] is the Vatican “mandate” [Do you hear a touch of scorn in those “”?] that made headlines last year. LCWR leaders and many others offered stinging critiques of the mandate’s thrust [Oooo!] and inaccuracies. Thousands of Catholics took to the streets and cathedral steps to voice their protest.  [Thousands?  Puhleeze.]

Now, Sr. Patricia McDermott, president of the Sisters of Mercy of the Americas, a large community in [the] LCWR, said in an interview that “the points of direction for the future, I think are unacceptable — that the bishops would be looking at our materials, our publications, giving direction to the assembly. … That’s not a conference that most leaders want to belong to.” [First, the sisters can opt out of the LCWR if they wish.  Second, this is a manifestation of the attitude which drives the Magisterium of Nuns, whereby the nuns seek to set up their own teaching authority over and against that of the divinely instituted college of bishops.] I’m sure she speaks for far more LCWR members than just herself.  [And Sister is speaking for all of them with the help of the Fishwrap.]

Archbishop J. Peter Sartain of Seattle, head of the three-bishop committee that is supposed to carry out the mandate, [Can you hear the dismissive tone?] will speak at the assembly and reportedly will take questions from the assembled sisters. It will be interesting to see if he has heard any of those messages and if he understands the thrust of religious life today.  [No no… dear readers… I’m sure she meant no disrespect.]

In fact, Sartain should be familiar with Catholics who operate out of conscience.  [She is about to justify the defiance of the nuns.] According to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on Aug. 5: “He has found that Catholics, and parishes, in Western Washington are an independent-minded, conscience-driven lot. Several parishes in Seattle and Tacoma refused to serve as gathering points for the signature campaign to roll back marriage equality in Washington. A big demonstration of pro-gay marriage Catholics took place outside St. James Cathedral a week before election day.” [See? The enlightened of Seattle defy Archbp. Sartain!  If the nuns defy him at the Caribe Royal, Sartain is just getting what he deserves.]

It will also be interesting to try to decipher whether Pope Francis has any influence on this process. [!] Early reports said he approved the mandate, but those reports came from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which inaugurated the mandate, not the pope himself. [HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!  Too rich.  Don’t you love the insinuation of underhanded dealings, conspiratorial machinations, disinformation campaigns against the lamb-innocent sisters?]

One of the accusations against LCWR in the mandate was its emphasis on social justice rather than issues of sexuality or abortion. Funny thing: One might say the same thing about Pope Francis. [Pope Francis… he’s so dreamy.  He’s on our side.   What does Maureen think of Francis’ clear position against the ordination of women?]

Get the LCWR GAMES begin!

And may the odds be ever in your favor.

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REVIEW: St. Edmund Campion Missal & Hymnal for the Traditional Latin Mass – 2nd EDITION

Some time ago I reviewed the St. Edmund Campion Missal & Hymnal for the Traditional Latin Mass.  HERE.  It came out in 2012.

It seems that there is a new edition for 2013.  It is no longer from Corpus Christi Watershed.

I have lots of pics of the first edition at my link (above) where I also speak of the weight and binding, and so forth. Here are some pics of the new book, which someone sent me.

What has changed in the Second Edition? (From the website.)

1.   Several typos were corrected
2.   The Solemn Mass section was completely redone and now has a more “classic” layout
3.   A ribbon has been added
4.   Minor improvements were made throughout the book to things like headers
5.   The cover has been changed to a more subtle, supremely elegant design
6.   Artwork by James Ridley has not been included
7.   The Second Edition is being sold by Triple P (LLC)

 The first difference you will notice is far less flashy (even distracting) cover.

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The material that covers the cover seems to “smudge” a little from the oil from your fingers, but it isn’t really smudged in the sense of being dirty.

Binding remains about the same.  Note the ribbon.

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It still has the nice internal artwork.

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A pictorial explanation of Holy Mass in the Extraordinary Form.

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A Kyriale and Hymnal in the back.  Large neums and characters make it easy to read.

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Information page with the 2013 date.

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Everyone: There are good resources out there for building an Extraordinary Form “stable group” and community and even parish.

Make use of them!

Go HERE for more information.

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HOLY DAY OF OBLIGATION ALERT 15 August – Assumption (TLM opportunities & Blessing of herbs)

15 August, the Feast/Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, is a Holy Day of Obligation on the Latin Church’s universal calendar and in calendars of particular countries (cf. can. 1246).  It isn’t transferred.

So, I remind the readership that you are obliged to hear Mass on Thursday, 15 August.

Make a plan.

As a matter of fact, if you are able, make a plan to fulfill your obligation by participating at Holy Mass in the Extraordinary Form!

Also, please remember that there is a special blessing of herbs in the traditional Rituale Romanum.  Remind Father to bless the herbs you bring before Mass begins.

I invite you to post below opportunities for the Usus Antiquior in your area.  (Please don’t send them by email to me to post for you – register and post them yourselves!)

That said, …

In Madison, WI: TLM at the Bishop O’Conner Center at NOON.

In Detroit, MI: All sorts of great things going on at Assumption Grotto Church!   (Patronal feast! Plenary indulgence opportunity!)

In NYC: As always at Holy Innocents in Manhattan 8:30 AM & 6:00 PM.

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Summorum Pontificum 7: in translation

Let’s have a look at the translation of Summorum Pontificum 7 on the Vatican website.

A forward: Latin vult is from volo. Volo expresses volition, corresponding to German “wollen” and English “will”. In English it is rendered as “to wish, want, intend, purpose, propose, be willing, consent, mean, will”. With an infinitive it is “to wish” and, can equal something like in animo habere, “to intend, purpose, mean, design”… to have in mind. It can have the connotation of studere, “to try, endeavor, attempt” and even “to mean”, as it he doesn’t mean to do it”. It can mean, “to order, command”, or “consent, allow”. All the ripples of means deal with volition. It does not concern ability. It concerns intention.

Now look at the modern translations of SP 7 (emphases mine and comments):

Art. 7. Ubi aliquis coetus fidelium laicorum, de quo in art. 5 § 1 petita a parocho non obtinuerit, de re certiorem faciat Episcopum dioecesanum. Episcopus enixe rogatur ut eorum optatum exaudiat. Si ille ad huiusmodi celebrationem providere non vult [“does not want”, “wishes not”, “does not intend”, “does not order”, “does not choose” …] res ad Pontificiam Commissionem “Ecclesia Dei” referatur.

Italian:

Art. 7. Se un gruppo di fedeli laici fra quelli di cui all’art. 5 § 1 non abbia ottenuto soddisfazione alle sue richieste da parte del parroco, ne informi il Vescovo diocesano. Il Vescovo è vivamente pregato di esaudire il loro desiderio. Se egli non può [?!? “cannot”, “is not able”] provvedere per tale celebrazione, la cosa venga riferita alla Commissione Pontificia “Ecclesia Dei”.

Spanish:

Art.7. Si un grupo de fieles laicos, como los citados en el art. 5, § 1, no ha obtenido satisfacción a sus peticiones por parte del párroco, informe al obispo diocesano. Se invita vivamente al obispo a satisfacer su deseo. Si no puede [like the Italian – wrong] proveer a esta celebración, el asunto se remita a la Pontificia Comisión «Ecclesia Dei».

German:

Art. 7. Wo irgendeine Gruppe von Laien durch den Pfarrer nicht erhalten sollte, worum sie nach Art. 5 § 1 bittet, hat sie den Diözesanbischof davon in Kenntnis zu setzen. Der Bischof wird nachdrücklich ersucht, ihrem Wunsch zu entsprechen. Wenn er für eine Feier dieser Art nicht sorgen kann[wrong… like Italian and Spanish] ist die Sache der Päpstlichen Kommission „Ecclesia Dei“ mitzuteilen.

English:

Art. 7. If a group of the lay faithful, as mentioned in Art. 5, §1, has not been granted its requests by the parish priest, it should inform the diocesan bishop. The bishop is earnestly requested to satisfy their desire. If he does not wish [like the Latin… “”if he doesn’t mean to”, “if he doesn’t intend to”, “if he doesn’t order…”] to provide for such celebration, the matter should be referred to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei.

This, friends, is why we check modern language versions against the Latin.

Summorum Pontificum is a juridical document.  We need the Latin.

The next question is …

Why?

Why aren’t the languages consistent with the Latin?  Whose choice was that?

Were I suspicious I would wonder if someone in the Secretariat of State wanted to give bishops of certain nations a way out, an excuse not to follow the juridical provisions of the Supreme Pontiff.  “Eccellenza, we, a group of the faithful, have been requesting Holy Mass in the older form for years and don Abbondio won’t help us.”  The Bishop, summons his minion and orders up a copy of the Motu Proprio.  The minion brings it… in Italian, since His Excellency can’t be bothered with Latin.  “See here, figlioli… the document says that if I can’t, then… well… I can’t.  Non possumus, figioli.  We can’t help you.  Mi dispiace.”

Look.  It is possible to over analyze the Latin or the other languages and go waaaaaay out into the weeds looking for complicated excuses for this or that variation.  The simple answer is probably the correct answer.

UPDATE 12 August:

An alert reader sent this:

I located a USCCB newsletter from 2008 which, in a section entitled “Summorum Pontificum Formally Published With Minor [sic] Changes,” lists “Article 7’s phrase “providere non potest” (“cannot provide for”) was changed to “providere non vult” (“does not wish to provide for”)” as one of five changes made to SP between its initial release on July 7, 2007 and its formal publication on September 7, 2007.

http://nccbuscc.org/liturgy/innews/may-june2008.pdf

Here it is:

This could solve part of the mystery of the discrepancy.  The other part remains: why are they divergent translation on the Holy See’s site?

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Colligite Fragmenta: an Omnium Gatherum

For a while now I had intended to have a post once a week into which I could gather bits and pieces of interest that have come up.

Let’s start with a link to Laetificat, a blog by a frequent commentatrix here.  She has a good view of what is going on in communities of women religious and odd ball “nuns on busses”.  She will often provide a detailed view of the goings on in Madison, often involving Bp. Morlino.

Right now she has a post about a family, a homeschooling family with multiple school age children, which she is trying to help.  They have some financial needs and she has posted a link to “wish list” for them.  In a click or two you could help a family in need.  Click HERE.  Here post is a little confusing, but you’ll figure it out.

Next, do you remember that photo I posted of a little boy with Cardinal Burke?  HERE The little kid was sad because he was not able to make his First Holy Communion along with his brother.   I received a note from the boy’s mother:

I just wanted to share Louis’ Caringbridge site with you and perhaps you could ask your readers to pray for him since they already “know” him in a way? He has an extremely rare condition called NOMID and we are praying to the intercession of Blessed John Paul II for his healing. HERE

Next, I direct your attention to the blog Rorate. One of the contributors there recently lost his mother to that end to which we all will come.  HERE  He is taking it pretty hard.  Drop in.

On a cheerier note, my friend the great Dean of Bexley, His Hermeneuticalness himself, Fr. Tim Finigan had at his parish in mighty Blackfen (where strains of the non-Gregorian “We are Millwall…” can be heard – a chant with which my primitive brain-stem resonates on a scary-deep level) a visit from Franciscans of the Immaculate.  They had a inspiring Mass.  Photo courtesy of Mulier Fortis.  His Haytchness also reported on the recent Evangelium conference.  I was invited to attend but, alas, it was not possible.  Next year I set out a special cigar box for donations so that I can attend.  Oh, one more thing.  Fr. Finigan also posted an on ONLINE PETITION to the Bishops of England and Wales to consecrate their lands to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  Fr Z kudos for this and my full support.

The erudite Samuel Gregg has a new book coming out (pre-order HERE) which I am reading in an advance copy.  Tea Party Catholic!  Heavy going but rewarding, as is everything Sam writes.

At the Chant Cafe there is s striking photo of the profession of nine Domincan Friars in Washington DC.  That province of Dominicans, you see, are acting like – I dunno – real Dominicans.  As a result they are, whaddya know, getting vocations.  Go look at the photo HERE.

Check out Michael Voris‘ video about beauty.  HERE

I want to remind you also of the Dominican Sisters who sell SOAP and those who sing and make CDs and Benedictines who have CDs and… have I mentioned Carmelites who sell coffee?  They have tea.  And then there are the Pius Clocks.  Lately I have written on Rosaries, the finest I have ever seen HERE and the most… I dunno… cool? HERE. And I am taking ads here, finally.  They aren’t cheap but I do get over 750k page loads a month. I’m just sayin’.

Finally, remember in your prayers young Thomas Peters, who broke his neck in a swimming accident some weeks back.  He is still recovering and the recovery is going to be very hard.  He and his family need your prayers.  There is a benefit concert for Thom on 14 August.  HERE.  100% of the proceeds will go to the Peters family.

The Monks of Le Barroux have, on demand, their sung hours. HERE.  So do the wonderful monks at Norcia. HERE

Finally, check out YOUR URGENT PRAYER REQUESTS.  We are all in this together.

Really finally, a funny dog video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ9EQIoHzn4&feature=player_embedded

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A little Sunday Schadenfreude

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

You would think that this was from the in the Vatican’s underground newspaper, La Cipolla.

Instead it is from thejournal.ie (.ie… Irish, of course):

Website that helps people leave the Catholic Church to cease operations

ONE OF THE founders of a website that provided information and assistance to people who wished to officially [split an infinitive] leave the Catholic Church has said that the site will close, because formal rules for leaving the church are so hard to navigate.
Countmeout.ie was established in 2009, offering visitors a Declaration of Defection form that could be mailed to a local parish priest. An annotation would then be added to a person’s baptismal certificate, thereby formally severing a persons ties with Catholicism. [Maybe it would and maybe it wouldn’t.]
Over 12,000 of the forms were downloaded from the site, but an official [official again!] change to canon law in 2009 has made it impossible to formally [split an infinitive] defect from the church. The Archdiocese of Dublin said that it will maintain a register of those who have expressed an interest in defecting.
However, without the baptismal certificate [register] annotation, the group says that the register is irrelevant.
Paul Dunbar, one of three people who had founded the CountMeOut website, said that trying to find ways around the 2009 decision by Pope Benedict XVI to abolish formal defection was like “repeatedly hitting our head against a brick wall”. [HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!]
We can’t get a meaningful answer from anyone in the Catholic Church, so we’ve decided to cease operations.”  [They aren’t alone.]
Dunbar says that even since defection was abolished, many people have visited the website, mailed the owners and “reflected on their own relationship with the Catholic Church.”
“The campaign proved very successful [Oooo… not just successful but very successful.] in the early stages and generated a lot of debate.
As a group, we felt it was important for people to reflect on their relationship with the church and decide whether they could remain as a member.
“The website will remain live for a number of months as we feel the information available on the site may prove useful to some.”

Fine.  Maybe one of the necessary parts of renewal of the Church is the clearing out of this flotsam.

In the meantime, this is amusing.

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