In Cordoba it a “cathedral”, not a “mosque”

Something that irks me is the penchant for mainstream media types to refer to this or that city where there is some important shrine for Islam as the “holy city of FILL IN THE BLANK”.  I suppose I could stomach that were they also to refer to the”holy city of Rome”, “the holy Vatican City”, etc.  They don’t.

I am therefore pleased to read this story from CNA:

Bishop requests historic cathedral no longer be referred to as mosque [Do I hear an “Amen!”?]

Cordoba, Spain, [Where Sts. Nunilo and Alodia were martyred.] Nov 5, 2010 / 09:58 pm (CNA).- Bishop Demetrio Fernandez of Cordoba, Spain has asked that the city’s historic cathedral be referred to as a Catholic church and not as a “mosque,” in reference to its past.

In an October column, Bishop Fernandez wrote, “Cathedral or mosque? Undoubtedly a cathedral.  It is the main church of the Diocese of Cordoba, where the chair of the bishop is located, thus the name ‘cathedral’.”

The bishop noted that the Cathedral of Cordoba has been a place of Catholic worship for eight centuries. [Long enough to qualify as a cathedral, I’d say. ] Saint King Ferdinand III took over the city without bloodshed on June 28, 1236, and ordered the temple, which had been built as a mosque, to be consecrated, Bishop Fernandez explained.

“It was saved from destruction because of the successful negotiations between Ferdinand and the Muslim occupiers of the city, who wanted to destroy it rather than turning it over.  When the Muslims invaded in 711, it was already a sacred place, as it was the location of the ancient Basilica of Saint Vincent the Martyr.”

The bishop noted that the Muslims destroyed the basilica “so a mosque could be built instead.”

Bishop Fernandez acknowledged the stir caused by his column, telling the Diario de Cordoba that he wrote it because “I knew it would be reported around the world, so that everybody would know that the ancient mosque in Cordoba is today a cathedral.  [OORAH!] The ones offended are those who think it’s wrong to call it a cathedral.”

“The cathedral has been a cathedral for eight centuries … I don’t mind if it is called a former mosque, but what I don’t want is it to be called just a mosque,” the bishop said, explaining that he does not want to confuse visitors to the city.

“The Catholic Church, and the Bishop of Cordoba, are the first to treat Muslims with respect and friendliness.  I am friends with many in the Muslim world,” he noted, adding he supports inter-religious dialogue in an atmosphere of mutual respect.

“People get upset, but this is for the good of Cordoba,” he stated.

WDTPRS KUDOS to the Bishop of Cordoba.

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QUAERITUR: getting around celibacy by leaving Church and coming back

From a reader:

For the sake of argument, couldn’t a married Catholic man, who wanted
to become a priest, simply get around the un-married rule by seeking
ordination in an Episcopalian/Anglican seminary and after ordination simply take advantage of John Paul II’s provision to Anglican clergy and be ordained as a Catholic priest?

Holy Church has already thought of that eventuality.

A Catholic who apostacizes and becomes a minister of some other group, and comes back into communion of the Church is brought back by the Church “ut laicus“, as a layman.  He will not be permitted to exercise even valid orders.

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QUAERITUR: More than one intention with stipends for one Mass.

From a reader:

Over the years, parish practice has allowed that there be several
intentions listed at Mass. These collective intentions are a daily
occurrence with some Masses having four or five intentions. Our bishop
has recently begun to enforce the Canons concerning Mass intentions. I
was hoping that you could expand on the theological basis for having
only one intention be the norm. It seems that the priest could have as
many intentions as is possible as long as he personally does not
receive a stipend for them. If you could help or at least point me in
a good direction I will buy you a cup of Mystic Monk Coffee.

The Code of Canon Law says: Can. 948 – Separate Masses are to be applied for the intentions of those for whom a single offering, although small, has been given and accepted.”

This is the general norm.  However, the the Holy See authorized bishops to allow the celebration of Masses with several intentions at once.   My understanding is that these “cumulative” intentions should not be the usual practice.  Also, the local bishop determines how this is to be handled (i.e., who keeps the stipend, etc.).

There is a 1991 document of the Congregation for the Clergy which deals with this.

It is harder and harder for people in some places to have Masses said for their chosen intentions.  This is due, of course, to the dearth of priests and therefore daily Masses.

Pray for vocations!

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QUAERITUR: confession by phone, long-distance

ConfessionFrom a reader comes a question about long-distance confession, using telephone or other technology.

I am on the road at the moment and do not have good internet connection at the moment.  Same old story, I’m afraid: wifi settings are a mystery to those who use them and the person who set them up … just find him.   Anyway…

Absolution by long-distance technology is invalid.  Many years ago there was a response given to a question about absolution communicated via telegraph (which shows how long ago it was).  Such an absolution would be invalid.  Some time later, I don’t have the reference, there was a question about telephone.  The answer was the same.

If such a question were submitted today, the answer would be the same.   You cannot receive absolution via skype or internet chat or video phone calls, etc.  INVALID.

By the way, anyone can confess via phone or by megaphone or by microphone and amplifier with stratocaster accompaniment.

You can confess by long-distance technology, but you cannot receive absolution via long-distance technology.  Similarly, you can confess to anyone you desire, but only priests with faculties can forgive your sins through sacramental absolution.

There is a possibility of contracting marriage long distance, or even via proxy, but not any other sacrament.  And that is another and more complicated question which we will not delve into here.

There are practical reasons: certainty about the person of the confessor, the penitent, issues of faculties across even continents, security of not being overheard, etc.  There are theological reasons: the penitent must accuse himself of sins in the presence of the minister of the Church acting in the person of Christ who is judge, there is the personal nature of the encounter with the Lord who is Mercy itself, etc.

No confession by long-distance.  It must be a real, and personal meeting of penitent and confessor.

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Prayer request

Would you in your goodness please say a prayer for a special intention?

Thank you in advance!

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Bp. Morlino’s letter to dissident parishoners

Bp MorlinoI posted a while about about the people in the Diocese of Madison who are giving a group of priests and Bishop Morlino a hard time.  The article I posted mentioned a letter written by Bp. Morlino to the parishes.

It is online.  WOW.

Bp Morlino’s letter to Platteville Catholic parishes

He outlines what has happened, writes about letters sent to him and to the Nuncio in Washington, demanding the removal of the priests.   He explains the situation.

Here is an excerpt.

It grieves me to acknowledge that the reputation of three happy, holy, and hardworking priests has been seriously tarnished by rumor, gossip, and calumny (lying with the intent to damage another’s good name) by some within the parish community. Such conduct is gravely sinful, since some parishioners have been driven by fear, anger, or both, to distance themselves from their priests and even the Sacraments. This situation must cease, and charity must prevail on the part of all.

Furthermore, activities such as protest-letter-writing seminars, leafleting of motor vehicles, doorto- door canvassing for signatures on a petition, etc (that is, exerting organized political pressure on people, where the end justifies any means) is an appropriate tactic in a political campaign, but not in the communion of faith which is the Catholic Church. Groups such as “Call to Action” and “Voice of the Faithful” regularly employ such tactics against legitimate authority in the Church. Because these groups dissent from basic tenets of Catholic Doctrine and Discipline, they are not recognized as Catholic in the Diocese of Madison, much less are they able to exercise legitimate authority. It is my hope that these clarifications will prove helpful.

Please give these priests time and open hearts. I assure you of their good will and pastoral concern for all of you, and I ask you to join me in praying for them in their sacred ministry.

The bishop then tackles point by point some objections raised by the liberals against this group of priests.

Since we are in an octave of days when you can gain indulgences for the Poor Souls, here is one of the points dealt with by Bp. Morlino.

6. Allegation: Lack of support for families suffering loss of a loved one with inappropriate comments at a funeral

– Response: I have known the priests to be quite supportive and attentive to grieving families. As for the comments about hell and purgatory, it is natural for the Last Things to be discussed at the time of a funeral. While it would be gravely wrong for a priest to declare that the deceased is in or deserves hell, there is no indication that this has ever been done by the priests of the Society. At the time of a loved one’s death, it is very important for priests and deacons to remind the faithful to pray for the departed and to have Masses offered for them in order to help make satisfaction for the temporal punishment due them for their sins (purgatory). If a soul is in heaven it can do no harm. If the soul is in purgatory, it can do great good.

Please pray for Bishop Morlino and these good priests.

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QUAERITUR: bestowing “minor orders”

From a reader:

With the recent news of the upcoming ordination of several men to the Minor Orders, I was wondering — perhaps you’ve spoken on this — what is the canonical standing of these men?  I know several people, hostile and dismissive of the Extraordinary Form, who ridicule and passively insult men who are in FSSP, or some other likeminded communities, by denying them credence to their reception of the Minor Orders.  These hostile men might say to a man who has received porter, exorcist, or even the order of subdiaconate, that “it doesn’t even exist anymore” or “it is a fantasy”……

How would you respond, dear Father?

In olden days the clerical state began with tonsure.  Now, the clerical state begins with ordination to the diaconate.  Furthermore, the minor orders were, in the Latin Church, suppressed by Paul VI.

And yet here we are talking about them, aren’t we?

I am not sure what happens when men are given minor orders in traditional groups today.  I know they don’t become clerics until diaconate, but what they are before that is a bit unclear.

It seems unlikely that the Holy See would be satisfied with the answer that they are just playing make-believe, or “simulating” something when minor orders ceremonies are conducted.  So, the minor orders appear to do something.  It isn’t a fantasy.  The Holy See wouldn’t want them playing make-believe.

Are the men who receive the order of Porter, Porters?   I suppose they are unless the Holy See issues a clarification that they are not.

It isn’t absolutely that someone who is made a porter be also a cleric.

I suspect in the present environment of talks with the SSPX were someone to ask the PCED for a response on such a question, they would probably get a very traditionally-minded response, if they go a response at all.

Meanwhile…

[CUE MUSIC]

After a hard day of sorting out the sticky question of whether of not men can still be ordained as exorcists, why not also stick your teeth together with some caramels… from Carmelites.  Get it?  Carmel?… ehem

Yes, not only to the Wyoming Carmelites roast coffee they also have caramels.

Enjoy them along with a piping hot WDTPRS mug of their fine coffee as you contemplate exorcists and porters.

Just like that old tonsure, Mystic Monk coffee is a cut above.  Heheh… get it?  A cut ab  … right.  Okay.

And, it’s still swell!

QUAERITUR: bestowing "minor orders"

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The Feeder Feed

TwitterIt has been a while since I have posted feeder photos.   And these are a few days old, since I am in NYC at the moment.

I post these just to remind everyone that feeders are still there and also for the special delight of a certain priest whom I hear made a less than enthusiastic comment about the bird photos.

Just for him, this nuthatch.

The Feeder Feed

Some Goldfinches.

The Feeder Feed

I believe the Chickadees are scrounging up stuff to line their holes against the cold.

I have a couple roosting boxes on the wishlist.  Apparently they stack themselves inside and help retain warmth when it is a a gazillion below zero.

The Feeder Feed

LOTS of Goldfinches.

The Feeder Feed

I have always wondered how they get these little black sunflower seeds open so fast.

The Feeder Feed

This Goldfinch spent some time looking in my window… or at its own reflection.

The Feeder Feed

Help feed the birds!   They eat only from your donations.

The Feeder Feed

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D. of Madision: liberals attacking faithful priests are harming the future of school children

Here is a sad story from the Diocese of Madison, which includes one of most liberal, in the negative sense, area in the US.

I have met Bishop Morlino and the priests in question.  They are outstanding.

From the Madision State Journal.  My emphases and comments.

Donations plummet following appointment of orthodox Catholic priests in Platteville

By DOUG ERICKSON

St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Platteville, stung by a plunge in donations following the arrival of three controversial priests, has issued an urgent plea for money to keep its parochial school open.

The 75-year-old St. Mary’s Catholic School is subsidized by the church, which has seen weekly donations fall more than 50 percent in four months, said Myron Tranel, chairman of the church’s finance council.

The school, with 106 K-8 students, has enough money to operate until at least January but needs an additional $200,000 to keep the facility open through the end of the school year, he said.

The financial crisis coincides with Madison Bishop Robert Morlino’s decision in June to bring in three priests from the Society of Jesus Christ the Priest to lead the parish. The group is based in Spain and known for traditionalist liturgy and devotion to orthodox Catholic teaching.

Changes the priests have made, including barring girls from being altar servers, led to a petition last month signed by 469 of the church’s approximately 1,200 members asking Morlino to immediately remove the priests. In a response letter to the parish last week, Morlino said the priests have his full support and will stay. He chastised parishioners for conduct he called “gravely sinful.” [I must agree, though I would say it is the ringleaders who will bear the most responsibility.]

“It grieves me to acknowledge that the reputation of three happy, holy and hardworking priests has been seriously tarnished by rumor, gossip and calumny — lying with the intent to damage another’s good name — by some within the parish community,” Morlino wrote in the letter, a copy of which the diocese provided the State Journal.

Financial appeal

Monday, about 300 parishioners attended a meeting to discuss the school’s finances and hear a financial appeal. Parent Andy Shea said he was encouraged by the turnout.

“It would be very disruptive for children to have to change schools in the middle of the year,” he said. [And a shame to have to close the school for next year!  That would also be disruptive.  All because of some spiteful busybodies.]

Brent King, spokesman for the Madison Catholic Diocese, said the diocese has “no intention of allowing the school to fail.” He said diocesan officials, if asked by the church, would offer assistance in areas such as fundraising. But he stopped short of saying the diocese would provide money to help run the school, calling that an unusual and possibly unprecedented step.

Joseph Hood, school principal, said it will likely be several weeks before the school knows whether the fundraising appeal is successful. Right now, the focus is entirely on keeping the doors open until June. Discussions about the school’s long-term future will come later, he said.

Mixed reaction

Morlino invited priests from the Spanish society to begin serving in the diocese in 2006, primarily in the Sauk City area. There are now eight society priests serving seven churches. [If those priests weren’t there, who would be?  They are pretty fortunate, I’d say, to have them.  The alternative is not good.]

Their arrival at each church has ushered in similar changes. They reserve the altar server role to boys to encourage more seminarians. They eliminate participation by laypeople in the distribution of communion. And they preach homilies that supporters find refreshingly forthright in stressing Catholic teaching but critics find short on compassion. [That is liberal code language for making excuses for mortal sins.]

While opposition to the priests has surfaced in other parishes, it has become particularly loud in Platteville, a city of 10,500 people 75 miles southwest of Madison. Fay Stone, a 25-year St. Mary’s member, said the priests’ decision-making approach seems heavy handed to her. While the Catholic church is not a democracy, some degree of collaboration with parishioners would be nice, she said.

“I know they probably have church law on their side, but just because you have the right to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do,” she said.

People are leaving and taking their money with them, she said.  [And where, I wonder, are they going?]

King, the diocesan spokesman, referred all parish-related questions to the Rev. Lope Pascual, one of the three society priests at St. Mary’s. He did not return phone calls.

Donations down

Weekly collections had been running between $10,500 and $11,500 prior to the priests’ arrival and now average barely $5,000, Tranel said, adding that the finance council created a segregated fund so that donors can give directly to the school now.

The priests do retain considerable support in the church.

“They’re teaching morals, and that’s what we need,” said Barbara Splinter, a 45-year member. “They are following what I’ve read the pope is for, and he’s our leader, so I don’t know why people have a problem with it.” [Perhaps because their Catholic identity is a little thin.]

The priests are “being treated very terribly,” she added.

Mike Worachek said he’s disappointed that his fellow parishioners aren’t giving the priests a chance. [Here is a good point:] “I think people should grow up and face the reality that people are different and you have to accept them for what they are,” he said.

WDTPRS KUDOS to Bp. Morlino and the men of the Society.

The people who are making trouble in that area are endangering their sacramental lives, committing scandal, and harming the future formation of many children, all for the sake of their desire to impose their will and their model on the Church.

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Roman Vespers

Here is a little continuity for you.

Vespers at the EF parish in Rome, staffed by the FSSP.   This is the beautiful SS. Trinita dei Pelegrini.

Play video

Brick by brick, folks.

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