From LifeSite. You can see what they are doing, even before the upcoming Synod is rigged. Let the rigging begin!
EXCLUSIVE: Speakers at Vatican-run youth meeting call for women’s ordination, LGBT inclusion
VATICAN CITY, July 19, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A Vatican-sponsored meeting for young Catholics in Rome in June featured speakers[Chosen ahead of time because of their views. This wasn’t an accident.] who called for “deaconesses,” the administration of sacraments by women, “revolution”, “LGBT” inclusion, and “structural change.”
Young Catholics at the event loudly applauded when such calls were made while calls for missionary discipleship were met with little enthusiasm. [Of course they applauded. Young people will generally applaud that they think will get them attention by annoying older people.]
The International Youth Forum, consisting of almost 250 young people from around the world, gathered between June 19 and 22 to discuss Pope Francis’ post-conciliar exhortation “Christus Vivit.” The pontiff published the document on April 2, 2019 following the October 2018 Synod of Bishops on Young People, the Faith, and Vocational Discernment. Some of the young people at the June Forum were auditors at the October Synod. The event was organized by the Dicastery for the Laity, Family and Life.
The general theme of the Forum was: “Young people in action in a synodal [“walking together”] Church.” [See what they are doing?]
LifeSiteNews spoke to two participants, a young man and a young woman, on the condition of anonymity, not only for their sake, but for the sake of their sponsoring bishops. The first Forum participant told LifeSiteNews of feeling uneasy as a progressive agenda was put forward by numerous speakers while participants cheered.
“The reaction to different open-floor comments and speakers quickly developed a pattern of being loud and supportive of those demanding structural change and diversity, ‘revolution’ or greater support for social issues such as the environment and [then maintaining] an almost deafening silence for those talking about evangelizing our cultures with theology of the body, being missionary disciples united in Christ, or growing in personal holiness,” the young woman told LifeSiteNews. [Almost as if the organizers had planted cheerleaders in the group to give signals. It takes a while for the patterns to organize, but they do.]
LifeSiteNews’ known and trusted source was particularly troubled by the enthusiastic reception of Austrian theology student Eva Wimmer’s demand for women’s ordination.
“During the first panel we heard from a handful of youth synod auditors talking about their experience of the synod process. During this, there was a call that in ten years time it would be ‘normal for women to be deaconesses and administering the sacraments’,” the female source said. [Remember Antonio Gramsci? Saul Alinsky?]
Wimmer also said, according to the source, that she dreamed of a Church in which women do not merely catechize for baptism but baptize, and do not merely teach marriage preparation but perform marriages and indicated that she was for greater inclusion of “LGBT” people in the Church. [The exaltation of sterile sexual selfish self-gratification. She’s the Synod’s perfect young spokesdupe.]
LifeSiteNews has reached out to Wimmer by email for comment, but she did not respond.
John Paul II declared in his 1994 Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis that “the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women.” He added that this “judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.”
‘Few seemed Christ-centered’
Meanwhile, such topics as holiness and conversion largely fell by the wayside.
“While important issues such as migration, climate change and youth suicide were frequently mentioned, we seemed to be missing the crucial point – holiness, our evangelistic mission inherent of our baptism, and self-transformation – for only when we are united with Christ, can we heal families, heal our culture and ultimately bring us all back to the one true Catholic Church of God,” the source said.
The young people had been invited to discuss ways in which the ideas of “Christus Vivit” could be implemented in their home diocese to attract more young people to life in Christ. The source said that she sensed that many of her colleagues were not “Christ-centered.”
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More on this trainwreck there.
Building recruits for the New catholic Red Guards!
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Of course the International Youth Forum was filled with plants.
This is so sad and frustrating. It’s obvious that all these events and synods are biased from the start and set up to reach a foregone conclusion, but although we can all see it, there doesn’t seem to be anything we can do about it. How do we save our Church, when she is not only attacked from the outside but undermined from within?
Neque “Christus” neque “vivit”.
This post and the “Right now you are being hunted” post should be merged … or read with the other post in mind.
“John Paul II declared in his 1994 Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis ” is the current Pope really going to ignore this and can he simply “overrule” this Apostolic letter to head down the ‘women as priests’ debacle path?
Of course, we need reform. In my own diocese, reform will begin with the appointment of a new bishop.
I was impressed, Fr. Z, that when you were here recently for the conference at Oglebay Park, you seemed to like West Virginia very much. Whoever is appointed Bishop will have a big, unpleasant job with so many poorly catechized Catholics whose understanding of the faith is limited such that they would favor having a female clergy but who are outraged at our former Bishop’s lifestyle and spending on himself. Also, we have a clergy who, for the most part, favor the standard progressive stuff and reject church tradition. Of course, there are some laity here who think we need fewer female clergy (you know what I mean) and some clergy who would agree, but on the whole, this would be an unpleasant posting for a new bishop. Assignment here as Bishop would be the perfect punishment for a traditionalist Priest who has been critical of some church leaders.
You, in other words.
I giggled to myself all afternoon as I thought about this.
Perhaps it’s time to begin preparing our consciences for the day that some bishops’ conference tries to ordain women and the Vatican declines to correct them, or even accepts it. Do we become schismatics then? Follow the example of the “continuing Anglicans” ? I think it’s prudent to imagine such scenarios, and our practical responses to them. Semper paratus!
“Perhaps it’s time to begin preparing our consciences for the day that some bishops’ conference tries to ordain women and the Vatican declines to correct them, or even accepts it.”
This is too horrid to contemplate right now, not that your comment is without merit.
I don’t get it though why many in the Church want to become Protestants. The authority structure of the Church was set by Christ and before that, God made Adam first and then Eve and Adam was head of that household. And husbands/fathers are head of the house, this authority given to them by God and the spiritual leadership and welfare of his wife and children is meant to be his chief concern. Our Lady is Queen of Priests but she is not a “priestess”.
To have women as “priests” is disordered and a curiosity (in the old sense of the word). And if it does comes to pass, then JonathonTX’s words above will be ringing in my ears.
Well, there’s no guarantee that the “young people” cheering were even Catholics. It’s pretty common today for leftists to hire demonstrators, often from the same companies that hire out movie extras. It’s just as common to advertise for leftist “internship” offers, and just ship these young leftists around from demonstration to demonstration, with some kind of room and board or school credits as compensation. If they were Catholics, they were probably handpicked from progressive organizations, and given a script to follow.
I hate to be so cynical, but that’s the way things are done today.
The Energy of the Youth is a powerful narcotic to certain people young and old. The New catholic Red Guard is harnessing that energy, presenting it as Wisdom, and then exploiting it to grab power.
Out with the Old and In with the New, Hope and Change, Amazonian Eco-Tribalism, etc., etc. Yep, it all sounds familiar, it’s pagan socialism. The anti-Catholic Communists and National Socialists did the same thing.
[The exaltation of sterile sexual selfish self-gratification. She’s the Synod’s perfect young spokesdupe.]
I have to ask this, Fr. Z: are you sure the term is “spokesdupe”? I thought it might be “dupeperson”, in that the proper role for this person is to be a dupe, and the “spokes” part is more or less ancillary. But I could be wrong.
“John Paul II declared in his 1994 Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis ” is the current Pope really going to ignore this and can he simply “overrule” this Apostolic letter to head down the ‘women as priests’ debacle path?
Gab, I am quite confident that the feminists will argue that St. Pope John Paul’s wording is precise: what the Church has no authority to do is ordain women to the presbyterate. There are 3 layers to sacerdotal ordination, and the presbyterate is the second of the three (and a necessary pre-requisite for the third, episcopal). Therefore, JPII’s statement doesn’t say anything about diaconate ordination, which means (they will say) it is OK for the Church to ordain women as deacons.
I would love it if Francis were to attempt an ex cathedra statement about this exact matter. However, I fear that he may be very nearly allergic to the very idea of making an ex cathedra statement, so it’ll probably never happen. The really nasty downstream effect of a bishop or bishop’s conference attempting to initiate diaconate ordinations of women is the impact later on whether the marriages heard by such person are valid. Fortunately, baptisms done by anyone are valid if they use a proper trinitarian form and intend what the Church intends, so the failure of these women to actually be the subjects of diaconate powers and graces would not affect the baptisms. It would be, in any case, just one more step in the (expected) march toward women priests and bishops, which feminists know perfectly well but are being relatively quiet about when they call for women deacons.
Suburbanbanshee: Yep, those Rent-A-Mobs do exist. Supporters of these mobs have set up “wedding registries” on the Amazon dot com to provide support.
TonyO, you’re quite right. They will start with diaconate ordinations and then, of course, having accomplished that would push it further until female “priests” seem the norm. Slippery slope etc.