Pont. Comm. “Ecclesia Dei” on going to SSPX Masses and “straw subdeacons”

Our friends at Rorate, who are often on top of this sort of thing, reveal a letter sent by the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” to a questioner.  The letter is unsigned, though it has the stamp of the Commission.

Here, as they report, are the questions:

1. Is it possible to fulfill the Sunday obligation by participating in a Mass celebrated by a priest from Society of St. Pius X, if the participant is not “against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church” and this is the only opportunity in the local area to participate in the Mass in forma extraordinaria (which the participant is highly devoted to)?

Answer:

In response to your first question this Dicastery would limit itself to referring you to the letter of 10 March 2009 written by Pope Benedict XVI to his brother Bishops in which he stated:

As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church. There needs to be a distinction, then, between the disciplinary level, which deals with individuals as such, and the doctrinal level, at which ministry and institution are involved. In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church. (Pope Benedict XVI, Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church concerning the remission of the excommunication of the four Bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefevbre, 10 March 2009).

Frankly, I would not have quoted a text which, because someone didn’t do much homework, raised so much controversy.   The word “ministry” must always raise doctrinal questions.  There is an important 1997 document, Ecclesiae de mysterio, “On Certain Questions Regarding the Collaboration of the Non-Ordained Faithful in the Sacred Ministry of Priests”, often ignored or read selectively by liberals who blur the ministry of the ordained and the participation by lay people in the ministry of the ordained.

Of course what is going on above is a round about way of saying that when an SSPX priest says Mass, the Mass is valid, but it is celebrated without the permission of the Church and, in a sense, not quite with or for the Church.  That makes participating in those Masses problematic.  However, that was written by the Pope, who is Legislator.  Another Pope Legislator issued the 1983 Code of Canon Law in which we read can. 1248: “The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day.” That means Masses of the SSPX. A fly in that ointment is a response from the PCED about chapels that are not SSPX but are only associated with the SSPX. HERE. At what point of remove will the Church say that a Mass is still “Catholic”? Tough question, no?

That said, doesn’t this raise some interesting points about what liberals call “ministry” when it comes to lay people?

2. Do the decree of Sacred Congregation of Rites (no. 4184) and the decision of Pontifical Comission ‘Ecclesia Dei’ (no. 24/92), concerning the possibility of serving as a subdeacon during the Mass in forma extraordinaria, apply also to diocesan seminarians (who are not seminarians of the institutes erected by Pontifcial Commision ‘Ecclesia Dei’) who wear clerical clothing?

Answer: Affirmative.

Yes, diocesan seminarians who are acolytes may act as “straw-subdeacons”.

According to a letter sent by the PCED to the Australian Ecclesia Dei Society, 7 June 1993, diocesan seminarians who are officially installed acolytes can take the role of the subdeacon in a Solemn Mass if a cleric isn’t there to take the role. In 2009 I opined that I was sure that the PCED would still take that position were a dubium offered to that Dicastery.  Read more details about what the “straw subdeacon does” in Reid’s reworking of Fortescue/O’Connell.

The letter, above, does not say anything new.  This is good. It is a dodge, but sometimes a dodge is good.  Maintain the status quo… for now.

 

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“Tell me now if it is possible for you to have faith in your heart and not tremble.” – St. Leonard of Port Maurice

Today in the Novus Ordo calendar is the feast of St. Leonard of Port Maurice (+1751).

In one place, St. Leonard expounds on the number of those who make it to heaven. He is not optimistic. And he gives reasons.

Christ died that all might be saved.  Not all will avail themselves of what Christ did for us.  It may be, as many of the greatest spiritual writers and doctors of the Church have taught, that few are saved. Over the centuries those few might amount to “many”, but many souls may be lost.  We can squander our membership in the Kingdom of God.

Here is a paragraph to whet the appetite for more of this rich fare HERE.

From a sermon on the number of those who will be saved.

I would not finish if I had to point out all the figures by which Holy Scripture confirms this truth; let us content ourselves with listening to the living oracle of Incarnate Wisdom. What did Our Lord answer the curious man in the Gospel who asked Him, “Lord, is it only a few to be saved?” Did He keep silence? Did He answer haltingly? Did He conceal His thought for fear of frightening the crowd? No. Questioned by only one, He addresses all of those present. He says to them: “You ask Me if there are only few who are saved?” Here is My answer: “Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.” Who is speaking here? It is the Son of God, Eternal Truth, who on another occasion says even more clearly, “Many are called, but few are chosen.” He does not say that all are called and that out of all men, few are chosen, but that many are called; which means, as Saint Gregory explains, that out of all men, many are called to the True Faith, but out of them few are saved. Brothers, these are the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Are they clear? They are true.

Tell me now if it is possible for you to have faith in your heart and not tremble.

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Curran Fishwraps Häring. Groovy!

Fishwrap tapped one of their darlings, former-Catholic theologian and dissenter Charles Curran, to write an encomium of the late Fr. Bernard Häring, CSsR, whose “proportionalist” legacy in moral theology is decidedly mixed.

First, Curran in his piece, reputedly about Häring, winds up writing mostly about himself.  Fine.  It happens.

Second, Curran’s piece is a tired old apology for dissent from Church teaching under the wearying mantle of “speaking to power”, like any nun on a bus.  The only lasting remedy for this is, I fear, the Biological Solution.  Let us pray for Fr. Curran.  Dum spirat.

Third, consider June and July of 1968, when Curran and his pals were running down Humane vitae.  Curran and Co. gave cover, permission to dissent about anything and everything, to a generation of Catholics who, having breathed in civil-rights and anti-war protest movements, down to this day to this day are incapable of separating their ‘catholic’ identities within the Church from those 60’s protest movements outside the Church.

Why does Fishwrap publish this stuff? Curran writing about Häring?  Hymns to Küng and Bourgeois?  Praising the old nuns on the bus and still publishing McBrien?  Why can’t they see how far off the rails they are?

Fishwrap is what it is, the editors/bosses are the way they are, because the generation still running the National Catholic Reporter (and the generation still paying for it) interpret everything within the Church still through the lens they formed during the anti-authoritarian civil-rights and anti-war protest movements.  When we try to uphold hierarchy and authority or rubrics or the older form of Mass or obedience to the Magisterium or decorum in liturgy and sacred music, an involuntary subconscious switch clicks in their heads. They take your faithful Catholic position of continuity to be an attack themselves and on Vatican II. Vatican II cannot, in their minds, be separated from the protest movements they have idolized until they are actually paradigmatic, iconic, even mythic.  The Council itself – in the received liberal interpretation – cannot ever be questioned or subjected to the authority of the letter of the Council’s texts, because they cannot separate their understanding of the Council from those movements of protest.  The events outside the Church in the USA in those days are completely fused with the event of the Council and certain post-Conciliar reforms.  They interpret everything they do through the lens of this combined and unassailable myth.

These older liberals – now of a certain age – have some younger acolytes and heirs to carry on their work. But the younger ones didn’t imbibe those heady halcyon days personally.  They have their protest, “Don’t trust anyone over thirty” iconoclast glasses at second-hand.  For the younger ones, the protest hermeneutic is skin-deep. For their bosses and the deep pockets behind Fishwrap it is marrow-deep.

And also this applies to some members of the hierarchy, okay?  Seminary and university faculties, too.  They are men and women of their age, after all.

Back to Curran and why Fishwrap is so into him.  What was up in spring and summer of 1968?  Look at the theological revolt in the Catholic Church which started in the 60’s (still going on today for some people) from the standpoint of the events going on around it.

Here’s a taste.  Go to one of those websites that recounts the major stories day-by-day for  1968, such as this one HERE:

  • ML King assassinated in April 1968
  • Bobby Kennedy assassinated in June 1968
  • Sakharov publishes 10,000 something or other
  • The Prague Spring (Czech: Pražské jaro, Slovak: Pražská jar)
  • Race riots in Cleveland and Gary one week before Humanae vitae
  • The summer of the Prague Spring
  • On April 24 students took over Columbia University
  • US and USSR began underground nuclear testing
  • France tested nuclear weapons above ground in South Pacific
  • On April 29, “Hair” opened in NYC for the first of 1750 performances
  • On April 20, English politician Enoch Powell makes his controversial Rivers of Blood speech.
  • On April 26 Students seize administration building at Ohio State
  • On May 10 Vietnam peace talks began in Paris between the US & North Vietnam
  • On May 24 Pres De Gaulle proposes referendum & students set fire to Paris bourse
  • On May 27 The meeting of the Union Nationale des Étudiants de France (National Union of the Students of France) takes place. 30,000 to 50,000 people gather in the Stade Sebastien Charlety.
  • On May 28 Senator Eugene McCarthy wins Democrate primary in Oregon

“It was the worst of times, it was the worst of times.”

But for Fishwrappers it was the best of times.  The only times.  And, in a sense, they are still living those times.

When they claim that John Paul II or Benedict XVI are turning the clock back to the 19th century, they are having a sort of ecclesial-flashback to Lyndon Johnson and race marches and war protests and love-beads.

Remember my four PODCAzTs about the 40th anniversary of the Novus Ordo?

Curran and Co.’s scandal-causing destructive dissent didn’t happen in a vacuum.  The world was in uproar.  Dissent, protest, riots, anti-authoritarianism was rife everywhere.  Even nuns, now on busses, were burning their veils.

Had Paul VI published Humanae vitae even two years earlier, today we would even know the name of “Curran”.  Their party would never have happened.

Love-beads and meditation man… groovy.

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QUAERITUR: Can a priest in the confessional assign AA meetings for penance?

From a reader:

Can a priest give AA meetings for a overindulgent penitent?

WHAT?!?  Noooo… bad idea.

Look. A priest can, I guess, give whatever penances he can get away with.   If the penance is too onerous or impossible, or too vague (“Do something nice for someone.”), you can, as a penitent, ask for a something clear and doable.

In my opinion it is – in general – a bad idea to propose (and that is what assigning a penance is, a proposal which the priest is obliged to propose) something that the penitent cannot do easily and in a short period.  For, example, it is best to assign something the penitent can complete before leaving the church.  Thus, prayers are good penances.

In the case of a habitual sin, such as a real problem with anger at other drivers, a penance could be along the lines of – and this is pushing it a bit – “For one week say one decade of the Rosary each time you get into your car but before you turn the key.”

In the counsel part of a sacramental confession a priest might usefully advise someone to seek therapy, or to attend AA, or to join Weight Watchers, or to frequent meetings of Liturgical Ad-Libbers Anonymous (LALA). Those suggestions are not good penances.

 

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When TEOTWAWKI comes, will you have had enough coffee?

It is “Cyber Monday”, as the online retailers are calling it!

I guess this is a secular money day of obligation.

Okay… now that you are online… buy some …

[CUE MUSIC]

Mystic Monk Coffee!

There are so many good reasons to refresh or build up your coffee supply right now.

First, you neeeeeds it.  Let’s just start calling it The Precioussss™ and get it over with.  Yes, you are probably addicted to caffeine, which is great for the Carmelites, great for us precioussss … er um, great for me, and … if you think about it… great for you too.  … Everyone needs a hobby, right?  Why not make your hobby tenderly fostering your addiction to caffeine in the form of Mystic Monk Coffee and Tea – yes TEA (even the foofy herbal stuff).  Sure, when TEOTWAWKI comes, your gonna get the jitters and it’s gonna be baaaad.  On the other hand, you might not notice since you’ll be running for your life or engaged in some really nasty urban warfare.  But, hey!  All the more reason for immediate gratification.  C’mon… admitting you have the addiction is the first step to clicking HERE and buy that coffee right now.

Second, I think there are indulgences for coffee…. no… scratch that…. there are no indulgences for indulging in coffee.

Second, and this is really important, by buying Mystic Monk Coffee you help the great Carmelites in Wyoming make ends meet and build their new digs. It must be close to a moral imperative to help Carmelites who tote .308s.

Christmas Stocking Gift Set

Third, they sell small sample packs (nine pack and thirty pack) which are perfect for gifts for St. Nicholas Day or for office parties, or “Secret Santa” gift exchanges, or individual stocking stuffers.  You can take care of small gifts and use the packs you don’t give away!  Also, they have a seasonal Christmas blend and a Coffee of the Month (which as I write is still their Thanksgiving Blend).  When you buy the seasonal blends, you do them a favor by reducing the stock.  And right now they have their perennial favorite Jingle Bell Java.

Fourth, this is the Year of Faith, right?  Remember the New Evangelization?  This means helping fallen-away Catholics return to the Church.  The Carmelites also have a religious gifts page.  You can order some coffee as a gift for someone who is not practicing her faith, or for someone who is thinking about becoming a Catholic, and, with the coffee you have shipped to their address include a rosary or holy cards or a spiritual book.

Fifth, it is good coffee!

Sixth, you need something to put in your great coffee mugs.

Seventh, I asked to you.  Isn’t that enough in itself?

Eighth, they have GIFT CARDS!

Ninth, the Carmelites pray for the people who order their coffee.  Really.

Mystic Monk Coffee.  So many great reasons and…

…it’s swell!

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Your Good News!

Do you have some good news for the readers?

Will you tell us what it is?

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Your Sunday Sermon Notes

Was there a good point from your Sunday sermon today?

Let us know all the good stuff!

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PUDDING REPORT: Christmas Pudding 2012 is underway!

Things are underway on this “Stir Up Sunday”, the Last Sunday after Pentecost. “Stir Up” comes from the first words of the Collect for Holy Mass in the Usus Antiquior.

I decided that for this round I would use the recipe I tried last year, by “Delia“.

It calls for “self-rising” flour. I don’t have any, so I made some, by sifting regular flour together with baking powder and salt.

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In go the breadcrumbs.

 

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I didn’t have “mixed spice” which is sort of like Pumpkin Pie spice, and the grocer was entirely cleaned out of that, so I concocted some.

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After blending well the flour, crumbs and spices, I start adding the fruits and nuts, without lay and clerical associations of dissenters or readers of the Fishwrap.

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Now zests of citrus.

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Time for the liquid.

For this we have eggs and rum and stout and barleywine.  I was lucky to find some barleywine, since it usually comes a little later.  Note the graduated cylinder.  I prefer to do my measuring in grams and milleliters.  So much easier.

The stout is Kalamazoo and the barleywine is Whole Hog, both more or less local.

 

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It will get pretty goopy, which is about right.

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Once it was concocted (late last night), it was to set over night.

In the meantime, this morning I sang a TLM at Holy Redeemer in downtown Madison.

Pretty church.

 

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After Mass I came home and sat straight down and banged out a PODCAzT, on a lark.

Laster, I will have to steam the pudding… using a hot plate. We shall how that goes.

More later.

UPDATE:

Okay… here is the steaming set up.

I tied a string around the base and top at right angles to make a handle by which I could extract the basin more easily.

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Into the big stock pot and onto the hot plate.

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Steam… steam… steam… for what worked out to about 10 hours (I went out for a while) to go eat Sole meunière at the invitation of some friends.

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I decided to dress it out myself. Fun and delicious.

Back home…

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Ready to sit for a while.

I’ll probably make a couple smaller ones, too, as gifts.

That’s the Christmas Pudding Report 2012 so far.

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PODCAzT 134: Christ the King, the Collect, and a listener’s question

Here is a little offering about the Collect for the Solemnity of Christ the King, as it is today in the post-Conciliar, Ordinary Form, calendar.  I use some material I wrote for the best Catholic weekly in the UK, The Catholic Herald, for which I write a column that continues some of my many years of work for The Wanderer based in these United States.

Also, I field a question from a listener who left me voice mail.  He asks something about Holy Days of Obligation.

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Yet another group of dissidents forms … where else?….

Tens of people came!

Get this from the Irish Examiner:

Umbrella group aims to speak for Catholics
By Claire O’Sullivan
Friday, November 09, 2012
A new lay organisation which wants to articulate the views and opinions of mainstream Irish Catholics is being established. [The premises you are supposed to accept here are, first, that they are “mainstream”, and next that they can speak for anyone.]
The Association of Catholics in Ireland (ACI) will function as an umbrella group for a number of existing lay Catholic organisations, including local parish groups, and is hoping to attract thousands of members.

Whether it will be a standalone association with strong links to the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) [You just knew these clowns had to be lurking.  It “hatched” from this group.] or whether the ACP will join together with the new organisation will be up for discussion at the ACP’s annual general meeting in Dublin this weekend.

Noel McCann of ACI said there had been a realisation that there were a number of lay groups which shared the same objectives but were not linked in any way.

“We see our organisation as being the common thread, that the different groups around the country who will join the organisation will share that common interest in seeing the teachings of Vatican II implemented,” he said.

[…]

The Irish Catholic has this photo:

A new lay organisation seeking liberal reform in the Catholic Church agreed a statement of objectives at its first general meeting at the weekend committing it “to the pursuit of a reform and renewal agenda in the Irish Catholic Church based on the letter and the spirit of Vatican II”. [“Letter and spirit” is the new cover under which they will completely ignore what they don’t like.]

About 300 people attended the meeting of the Association of Catholics in Ireland (ACI), which also agreed to set up a website and governance structures, with elections to be held at an AGM next year, when there will be a formal launch of the organisation.  [Oooo!]

The objectives, which include a re-evaluation of the Church’s teaching on human sexuality, [That is mostly what these liberal groups are about.] are broadly similar to the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP), whose annual meeting preceded the ACI meeting at the weekend.

Its statement of objectives also said the ACI believed “the spirit is present in the voices of all the baptised” and in “the consequent right of all the baptised to have their voices heard in the formation of Church teaching and to participate fully in the life of the Church, including decision-making” at all levels. [The Church of Ireland needs these people right now.]

The group wants to bring about what it describes as a “renewed understanding of the primacy of the individual conscience” and the “full participation of women in every aspect of the Church”.

[…]

I wonder what the average age was in that room.

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