More canonical stuff on Archd. Detroit v Voris (Real Catholic TV)

The Canonical Defender, Prof Ed Peters, has more to say about Archd. Detroit v. Voris (and “Catholic”).

He gets into a question I raised HERE.

He doesn’t have a combox.  Do visit his blog and spike his stats.

A few more things to keep in mind about the AOD and Voris/RCTV
by Dr. Edward Peters

Further to my first posting on this matter, and with the same provisos, I offer a few words on two aspects of the Voris/RCTV situation generating many questions. [Including my own.]

A) The AOD, some claim, does not have jurisdiction over Voris/RCTV.

1. Jurisdiction is a quintessentially canonical issue (!), but I have yet to see the “lack of jurisdiction” claim being made by anyone who knows how canon law actually determines jurisdiction over persons and projects. As a blog is not the place for me to attempt a pre-emptive tutorial on canonical jurisdiction, I’ll just say that, to the extent that jurisdiction is or might be an issue in this matter, I believe the AOD to be on firm ground.

2. I can add, though, that the “lack of jurisdiction” claim implies that the AOD needed “jurisdiction” to state that it “does not regard [Voris/RCTV] as being authorized to use the word ‘Catholic’ to identify or promote their public activities (Dec 2011)” or that “the catechetical presentations and the interpretations of Catholic teachings or positions presented by St. Michael’s Media and/or RealCatholicTV—be they audio, video, or exclusively Web-based—cannot be approved or endorsed by the archdiocese at this time (Oct 2008).”

Since when, I ask, does the AOD need “jurisdiction” to reply to inquiries made to it by third-parties regarding Voris/RCTV or to anticipate the need to respond to more such inquiries in the future? Are the pervasive claims by Voris/RCTV that they are producing “Real Catholic TV”, and running a “Catholic Investigative Agency”, and publishing the “Catholic Critic”, etc., immune from any reply by the ecclesiastical institution headquartered just a few miles from the Voris/RCTV facilities and directly responsible for the identity and mission of the Catholic Church in this region?

B) What about every other use of the word ‘Catholic’ out there?

The question rests on a multitude of scenarios, of course, and I can’t address them all, but here are a few preliminary points.

1. Like her Founder, the Catholic Church has precious few “tools” with which to carry on her mission, but among those tools is her very name, Catholic. True, Catholics in every land and in every age have misused the name “Catholic”—not always with evil intentions, of course, yet often enough with bad (sometimes, very bad) consequences for the Church. But, notwithstanding the frequency of such misappropriations of her name, the Catholic Church has the right to take whatever steps she can to protect her name from being appropriated by those who think they have the authority to wrap themselves up in it.

2. The canon law regarding use of the word “Catholic” binds Catholics regardless of the degree of protection accorded, or not, the word “Catholic” under civil law. The alternative view effectively holds that the Church may enforce only those canons that the State lets her enforce. Perish that thought.

3. The canon law on use of the word “Catholic” and on certain types of public activities carried on by Catholics is considerably broader and more complex than any descriptions I have yet seen accorded it in the blogosphere. Folks who look up a canon or two and purport to explain their meaning risk doing a disservice to both the law and the community that law is meant to serve.

4. People are basically correct, I think, to note that ecclesiastical efforts to protect the word “Catholic” have been deficient over the last several decades. They are incorrect to hold that nothing (or practically nothing) was done to protect the word “Catholic” during those years, and I invite them to do some basic research to see for themselves. And they are certainly wrong to imply that the regrettable failures of the past to protect the name “Catholic” from misappropriation effectively bars Church leadership today from acting to protect that name (as if the solution to the ills of past disregard for law were—of all things—continued disregard for law!)

5. An archdiocese, like any governing/serving organization, has limited resources (financial, personnel, etc.) with which to respond to a virtually unlimited number of situations, opportunities, and problems. The priority accorded any specific matter is, therefore, always a function of the prominence of the issue (itself to be assessed in different ways), the clarity of the potential resolution(s), the present availability of resources to address the issue, and so on. Assuming that the AOD is acting within its authority—and it is—those who assert that it should deal with X, Y, and Z before saying anything about Voris/RCTV are entitled to their opinion, of course, but, in the end, they can only be saying that the AOD’s list of priorities is not identical to theirs.I must repeat, this matter turns essentially on canon law, and will finally be decided not by webmasters or combox jockeys, [!] but by ecclesiastical officials acting in accord with the substantive and procedural provisions of canon law, provisions to which all parties in this matter have rightful access.

In the meantime, I hope that these posts will help defuse some of the more distracting chatter floating around out there.

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RECENT POSTS and LOTS of THANKS! (Some reading tips too.)

How is your coffee supply?Thanks for the support you are giving to the Wyoming Carmelites by buying their coffee.  How is your coffee supply these days?  Br. Java tells me their Jingle Bell Java blend is almost gone.

Also, thanks for using my Amazon links and the search box on the sidebar for your online shopping.

I have many people (including you “lockstep sheep and papist throwbacks“) to thank for kind gestures, notes, greetings for Christmas and New Year, and much needed support of prayers. They include:

Last part of 2011:
JdR, PMF, CS, RB, MFJ, BB, HM,JR
MR, LS, EMcG, AR, MQ, DG, BB, WH,
PP, MH, APLE, PS, VdG, EC, JP, SA,
KM, DEP, MR, MH, RB, ML, JB, MK, JL,
GF, MH, AM, MJ, JS, AR, KA, MF, JB, MJC,
PM, SW, WK, SG, RR, JD, EL, CdF, MJC

2012:
HE, MH, WH, KB, MF, DMcA, DB, LS, ER, and (just minutes ago) CB.

I will say Mass for the intention of my benefactors on Saturday morning.

Some donations were large and some small.  Every one of them was helpful.  Some of you have set up recurring monthly donations.  Deep gratitude for that!  That also insures that you are often on my list when I say Mass for my benefactors. You can find that button/box at the bottom of any blog page. I often wonder what would result, with the large readership we have here, were just half the readers to send $1 a month (or more… I don’t want to restrict anyone’s freedom).  Also, the “Get a Mac” fund is still making slow progress.

Heartfelt thanks to everyone who sent books from my Kindle wishlist and other items from my regular wishlist.  I don’t always know who you are because the packing slips don’t always include your names.  It is boost each time something arrives.  I pray for you and I hope you will pray for me as well.

Speaking of Kindle, someone asked me recently what books I have on my Kindle.

The most recent acquisition was a gift from KBM: Harry Potter and the Paganization of Culture by Michael D. O’Brien (author of Father Elijah and most recently The Father’s Tale, etc.).  This book has shifted my thought about the whole Harry Potter thing.  Not wholly, but somewhat.

At random, I also have Constantine by Paul Stephenson and Patriots by James Wesley Rawls and God’s Secret Agents: Queen Elizabeth’s Forbidden Priests and the Hatching of the Gunpowder Plot by Alice Hogge.  And many others.

An outstanding read is D. Vincent Twomey’s Pope Benedict XVI: The Conscience of Our Age: A Theological Portrait. I think every priest and seminarian – and JOURNALIST – should have this.  It requires that you are pretty well-read, but anyone willing to take the time will gain a lot from this book.

I am looking forward to digging into Fr. Paul Mariani’s new biography of the late, great Ignatius Pin Mei Card. Kung: Church Militant: Bishop Kung and Catholic Resistance in Communist Shanghai. It looks really good and there is a Kindle edition.

I love my Kindle!  And it was a gift from one of you readers.

Here are posts which have been scrolling.

I am thinking about a blog overhaul soon.  Some updating and changes have to be made.

Lastly, please use my little “share” buttons for Twitter and Facebook, etc.

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Concerning a certain spoon

Cuiller à sauce individuelleI recently had occasion to think again about the cuillère à sauce individuelle. I have written about this great tool several times, including here and here.

I found a description of its origin!  The French is pretty straight forward…

Lancée en 1950 par le Restaurant Lasserre à Paris, la cuiller à sauce individuelle permet de déguster la sauce dans une assiette plate sans manger de pain.

Créé en 1933 ce modèle de style Art Déco a été présenté à l’Exposition internationale des arts et techniques de Paris en 193 Les pans coupés, les angles et les lignes architecturées réinterprètent avec élégance les années 30.

And there you have it.   But more HERE.

It seems the notch is just for fun after all.

I thought it was much older.

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Criminal serving time with monks begs to be sent back to prison

Are there any judges out there?  Here’s an idea.

A reader sent this from the The Daily Mail:

Criminal serving his sentence with monks pleads to be sent back to prison… because monastery life is too hard

A convicted criminal who was serving out his sentence in a monastery has escaped for the second time and asked to be sent back to prison because life was too tough.

Thief David Catalano, 31, was sent to a Santa Maria degli Angeli community run by Capuchin monks in Sicily last November.

But he found their austere lifetstyle too tough to handle and soon escaped. After a short while on the run he was caught by police and sent back.

On Monday he fled for the second time in six weeks, only to swiftly turn himself in at a police station and beg officers to send him back to jail in the nearby town of Nicosia.

He told the stunned policemen: ‘Prison is better than being at that hostel run by monks.’

A police spokesman said: ‘Catalano arrived out of the blue and said there was no way he could stay on with the monks.

‘He said it was too tough and he wanted to go back to prison, so we happily obliged and he is now back behind bars serving the rest of his sentence.

‘Life with the monks can be pretty tough – there are no mod cons and they are up early and go to bed early. There are no luxuries at the hostel and the monks run a very austere regime.’

The Santa Maria degli Angeli community is based in a monastery near Enna on the island of Sicily.

It has been run as a halfway house by the Capuchin friars for more than 12 years with around 60 prisoners accommodated there as they near the end of their sentences.
[…]

Topic for discussion: Should prisons be less/more comfortable than a Franciscan convent?

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Still amusing, but it’s an old story.

Lots of people have sent me email begging me to write about an incident in which a Canadian Anglican “priest” named Marguerite gave “communion” to a dog.

Yes, that really happened.

Yes, I already wrote about it…. a year and a half ago on 22 July 2010. HERE.

Still amusing, but it’s an old story.

Or… wait… did she do it again?

Nope. It’s an old story. 2010.

I wonder if Fishwrap and Sr. Maureen Fiedler would permit the dog to come into catholic communion? HERE.

In any event, friends, will you please stop sending me email about this?

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National Catholic Reporter’s Sr. Fiedler upset by the new Ordinariate

Over at the National catholic Fishwrap, which sports the word “Catholic” in their title despite having been explicitly told not to by the local bishop, has an amusingly flaky piece by Sr. Maureen Fiedler, whom we have seen several times in these electronic pages.

Sr. Fiedler is worked up over the new Personal Ordinariate for Anglicans/Episcopalians in the USA.

Why?  Because we should not welcome anyone into our Church who are against human equality!

These new Anglican Catholics are fleeing from a welcoming, inclusive, non-homophobic community into one which denies that women and the abnormal sex acronym crowd can be ordained.  Get it?

Here is a taste.

Should the church take in Episcopalians who believe in injustice?

by Maureen Fiedler on Jan. 04, 2012
The Vatican has created a new “Ordinariate” for disaffected Episcopalians who come over to the Catholic church. [Love the orthography.] Most of the disaffected Episcopalians are unhappy with the ordination of women as priests and bishops, the welcoming of openly gay/lesbian clergy and the blessing of same-sex unions. Many of them believe that such practices violate the basic teachings of Christianity.

As I read such stories, I understand all the ecclesial reasons for this move, and I’m happy that former Episcopal priests can remain married as they make the move. I just wish we’d extend the same right to our own Catholic priests.

And I have nothing against Episcopalians (or anyone) choosing to join the Catholic church. I think we need an open door.

But overall, I am troubled about this recent move. Generally speaking, the Episcopalians moving over are not disaffected by prayers or hymns or externals. They are uncomfortable with recent Episcopal practices that recognize and bless human equality. [This is where she gets real deep.  Pay attention.  She asks… CUE MUSIC…] Are we violating a fundamental principle of justice when we welcome folks into the Catholic church because they are opposed to gender equality and/or do not accept people of different sexual orientations on an equal basis?

A sense of compassion would dictate helping them through their dilemma, but should the process validate their views[Ohhh nooo … sniff… I’m such a… such an enabler!]

Of course, current [ROFL!] Catholic theology and practice accepts these views, which is unfortunate, but welcoming people who are fleeing practices of human equality is still troubling.

[…]

She goes on with dramatic metaphors of whips and slave auctions, etc.

I wonder if Fiedler is angling for NcFishwrap‘s next “Person of the Year”.

My advice to Sr. Fielder is channel all that concern into working closely on the development of Romanorum coetibus with the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church of the U.S., Katharine Jefferts Schori, who is so welcoming and inclusive that she took in an admitted child abuser and gave him a job as a priest.

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When we are detained, at least we’ll be held “on common ground”.

Are you making a list of what is at stake in the upcoming presidential election cycle?

This comes from Life Site with my emphases:

Constitutional experts: pro-life ‘terrorists’ could be permanently detained without trial under law

by Ben Johnson

Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:44 EST

WASHINGTON, D.C., January 3, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Constitutional experts warn a new law that allows the president to permanently detain U.S. citizens without trial could be used against pro-life activists, who have already been defined as potential terrorists in documents by some government agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security.

This law can apply to pro-lifers, yes,” said John W. Whitehead, a constitutional attorney and founder of The Rutherford Institute. Whitehead told LifeSiteNews.com the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (NDAA) “would allow the military to show up at your door if you’re a ‘potential terrorist,’ and put you in military detention where seeing a lawyer is difficult.”

The NDAA, which President Barack Obama signed on December 31, allows the president to hold enemy combatants in military detention facilities without trial until the end of hostilities, if the person “substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners.” The law allows the president to determine which groups may be considered terrorists without judicial or congressional oversight, although Secretary of Defense is required to “regularly brief” Congress about “covered persons.”

Sen. Carl Levin, D-MI, said the Obama administration specifically asked senators for the power to permanently detain American citizens without trial and to “remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section.”

Although Section 1022 states, “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States,” many contend the law allows detention as an option for Americans captured abroad. Glenn Greenwald of Salon summarized, “For foreign nationals accused of being members of Al Qaeda, military detention is mandatory; for U.S. citizens, it is optional.”

Dana Cody, president and executive director of Life Legal Defense Foundation, said pro-life activists “already are classified as domestic terrorists on some FBI lists.” She said that on one occasion the manager of a Kansas City, Kansas, abortion clinic slammed her client, Mary Ann Sause, to the ground and told the peaceful pro-life demonstrator he was photographing her license plate so he could report her to the FBI.

Cody, who told LifeSiteNews.com her organization is currently studying the NDAA, added that the law states “enemy territory is anywhere.” The Senate rejected an amendment from Dianne Feinstein limiting permanent detention to those captured “abroad.”

“If it’s within the discretion of the government under the National Defense Authorization Act, of course it will be used by the government to intimidate and silence pro-life people, especially those who are in the public forum,” Cody said.

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Read the rest there.

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QUAERITUR: Joining the Polish National Catholic Church

From a reader:

Some relatives told me they were considering joining the Polish National Catholic Church. I see from what you have previously written they have valid sacraments (that’s good) but they don’t seem to be in union with our Pope in Rome (yikes!). Would their joining be the same as leaving the Roman Catholic Church for say a Protestant denominiation as in is this a sin? I doubt we could go from one to another without some spiritual ramification? Please explain very simply for me. Thanks for anything you can do.

Joining the Polish National Catholic Church (PNCC) is more dire than following priests of the SSPX. Unlike the SSPX, the PNCC is clearly in schism. To join the PNCC, especially formally, would mean abandoning the Roman Catholic Church. The person would likely incur the latae sententiae excommunication found in can. 1364.1 and could result in the eventual denial of funeral rites (can. 1184. 1.1). Mere attendance at a Mass or Masses of the PNCC would probably not rise to the level of a formal act of schism, especially if done as an ecumenical gesture, or solidarity with family. However, outside of the extreme cases mentioned in can. 844.2, a Catholic should not receive sacraments in a PNCC church.

The PNCC’s denies papal authority. The SSPX doesn’t deny it, they just don’t obey it. The PNCC does not have clerical celibacy, which is a bit quirky. Worse than than, however, the PNCC denies the dogma of original sin.

Just keep repeating “canon 1364 … can. 1184 … canon 1364 … can. 1184 … canon 1364 … can. 1184 …”.

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QUAERITUR: Children “playing Mass”

From a reader:

Is it ok for a child to pretend to say Mass? After reading the following post and its comments I was beginning to be concerned (HERE).
I looked it up in Canon Law and saw similar things.

Obviously it would be OK for an innocent little boy to pretend to “say Mass” in his room, but what about a boy who is older than the age of reason and already receiving the sacraments (12, 13, 14)? Obviously they will grow out of it at some point or another, but as long as they know that it isn’t real and are just playing, not actually trying to consecrate hosts, and are not trying to convince anyone that it is real (and aren’t doing it publicly, just in their room) would it be alright and not incur this “interdict” described in Canon Law? If I recall correctly, don’t you have to be at least 16 to incur an excommunication?

In my opinion, it looked like the norms were aiming for those who “celebrate” Mass publicly, trying to convince others that it is real, or, think that it is real. Is that right?

Of course the norms were not aimed at children “playing” or “pretending” to say Mass.  They are aimed at adults who scandalize the faithful and commit a sin by simulating a sacrament.

As far as the age is concerned, parents ought to be watching carefully how and what their children do at every age. If a child is getting older and starts to really think he is saying Mass, that is a deeper problem.

Also, I would discourage girls from ever doing this.  (Yes… yes… I know that under other entries some have said they did this and the world didn’t crumble into ashes.)

Bottom line: Provided everything is done with the respect and care, it is okay for little kids to “play Mass”, although … I can’t imagine it is too fun to play “Novus Ordo”.

This reminded me of a photo someone sent of himself as a child playing Mass.

Reason #1556578 for Summorum Pontificum.

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QUAERITUR: Can the new Lectionary be used with the Extraordinary Form?

From a seminarian (edited):

Fr. Z, thanks for all you do. [My pleasure.] I have learned much from reading your blog over the last few years, and I continue to come here as a seminarian for trusted commentary on different issues.  I have a quick question which arose from a liturgy class:

Does Universae Ecclesiae Article 26 rescind previous allowances for the use of the Novus Ordo lectionary in celebrations of the Missal of 1962? I have not been able to find any clear information on this.
Thanks for your help!

Peace. Know of my prayers for you.

Again, I like to check these things with a reliable canonist. Here is a response I received:

The pertinent paragraph is Universae Ecclesiae article 28, not 26. Article 28 says that Summorum Pontificum derogates from the provisions of law that are incompatible with the rubrical books of 1962. The use of the new lectionary, suggested by Quattuor abhinc annos, would seem to be incompatible with the rubrical books of 1962. Therefore, since SP came into force, this should not be done.

That said, I would have no problem whatsoever with a priest, after having proclaimed the Epistle and Gospel prescribed for the day according to the 1962 Missal, going up to the pulpit and reading the First and Second Reading, plus the Gospel for the day from the Ordinary Form lectionary at the beginning of his homily. [Which will either make Mass longer or force a shorter sermon!] This would seem to me to be a reasonable accomodation for a busy pastor with an ambiformal (did I just coin a new word?) parish who is reluctant to come up with two homilies each weekend. Since in the 1962 rubrics, the sermon need not be tied to the scriptural readings, this would seem to be a reasonable compromise.

Well!   A reasonable compromise.

Whaddy’all think?

Would you like that sort of solution for the sermon?

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