This is terrific. Here is old video of some bishops at the Second Vatican Council saying their private Masses!
The best form of concelebration!
Council Fathers offering their Private Masses after the Second Vatican Council was solemnly opened by Pope John XXIII pic.twitter.com/c89LeogHwL
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I am just a tad confused, why are they all in the same room but offering the Mass separately? Seems like the term private wouldn’t apply in this case. Just curious, I;ve never heard of this before.
Stunning. Reminds me of my short visit to Faugambault in France.
*fontgombault
One of my doctors in Rome has that exact same elevator.
And when you visit one of the fine old non-wreckovated churches, especially in Europe, you see all these side altars and know they used to be used daily as every priest offered his own Mass daily. Just another huge thing we lost with the imposition of the Novus Ordo….we lost the number of Masses offered every day. Now, I have seen 2-6 priests concelebrating at one Mass. In the TLM, there would be up to 6 Masses. Of course, we also lost thousands of priests after VII as well: all of this taken into consideration means much graces for souls and the world…
No matter how many priests concelebrate a Mass, it is still just ONE Mass. Better to have five priests celebrating five Masses than five priests celebrating one Mass. I think some priests have forgotten or don’t know the value of celebrating a single, private Mass.
From the book “My Catholic Faith”:
The whole Church on earth and in purgatory participates in the general fruits, for the Mass is offered for all. The special fruits benefit:
a. The priest who celebrates the Mass.
b. The person or persons for whom it is offered.
c. Those who assist at the Mass.
d. Those for whom the faithful present pray and offer the Mass in union with the priest.
From “The Hidden Treasure – Holy Mass” by St. Leonard of Port Maurice:
– At the hour of death, the Holy Masses you have heard devoutly will be your greatist consolation.
– God forgives you all the venial sins which you are determined to avoid. He forgives you all your unknown sins which you never confessed. The power of Satan over you is diminished.
– Every Mass will go with you to Judgement and will plead for pardon for you.
– By every Mass you can diminish the temporal punishment due to your sins, more or less, according to your fervor.
– By devoutly assisting at Holy Mass you render the greatest homage possible to the Sacred Humanity of Our Lord.
– Through the Holy Sacrifice, our Lord Jesus Christ supplies for many of your negligences and omissions.
– By piously hearing Holy Mass you afford the Souls in Purgatory the greatest possible relief.
– One Holy Mass heard during your life will be of more benefit to you than many heard for you after your death.
– Through Holy Mass you are preserved from many dangers and misfortunes which would otherwise have befallen you. You shorten your Purgatory by every Mass.
– During the Holy Mass you kneel amid a multitude of Angels, who are present at the Adorable Sacrifice with reverential awe.
– Through Holy Mass you are blessed in your temporal goods and affairs.
– When you hear Holy Mass devoutly, offering it to Almighty God in honor of any particular Saint or Angel, thanking God for the favors bestowed on him, etc., you afford that Saint or Angel a new degree of honor, joy and happiness, and draw His special love and protection on yourself.
– Every time you assist at Holy Mass, besides other intentions, you should offer it in honor of the Saint of the day.
In conclusion, we need more Masses not fewer.
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This is just simply beautiful. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Following up on acardnal’s comment on concelebration, namely:
“No matter how many priests concelebrate a Mass, it is still just ONE Mass. Better to have five priests celebrating five Masses than five priests celebrating one Mass.”
I am wondering if there is any source to corroborate this (my personal opinion leans in this direction, too). But I found the following here:
“When a Mass in concelebrated, each priest offers the sacrifice of the Mass. This means that each priest is able to have his own intention. The fact that they are concelebrating, i.e., are offering their Masses at the same time, and in the same location, does not alter the fact that each priest is celebrating Mass.”
Not that “Canon Law Made Easy” is an authoritative document either, but there seems to be two opinions here.
acardnal says: “I think some priests have forgotten or don’t know the value of celebrating a single, private Mass.”
Yes, even in my 60s childhood it was so common to see private Masses at the side-Altars. And in my school, even well into the 70s, the older retired teaching/missionary priests said their private Masses in the chapel crypt – and always in the morning. They also heard our confessions… or what passed for kiddies’/teenagers’ confessions. And we had to go. Regularly. I think the hardest penance I ever got was a decade of the Rosary. But, being in the choir, we sang at the Rosary and Benediction in the evening at least twice a week anyway, so I think I “said” my penance that evening at the devotions – when I would have been doing it anyway. Kiddy logic.
JudicaMe wrote,
“When a Mass in concelebrated, each priest offers the sacrifice of the Mass. TRUE. This means that each priest is able to have his own intention. TRUE, just as each parishioner in the pew can have his own intention. The fact that they are concelebrating, i.e., are offering their Masses at the same time, and in the same location, does not alter the fact that each priest is celebrating Mass. TRUE”
The above is a true statement as far as it goes. But it is still ONE, single Mass. The priests are celebrating the same Mass.
JudicaMe,
Fr Z, our host, wrote an informative article on concelebration HERE. A key phrase: “When two priests concelebrate one Mass, a single act of sacrifice is made present through both of them together, . . . .”
Correction: the article was written by Prof. Peter Kwasniewski but referred to Fr. Z in the article.
Our own good bishop here in Leeds, Mgr Marcus Stock has a set of beautifully framed slimline Mass cards given to each bishop who attended the Council. They are still in the presentation box and were given to him when he was ordained priest many years after the Council.
You may remember that Bishop Stock offered Mass publicly for the first time in the Cathedral here in Leeds last November.
I remember serving what was called the ‘Boys’ Mass’ at my school in the 70s and early 80s, offered for the school. As I served the Mass for the pupils, a number of private Masses were being celebrated at side altars by other priests at the same time. I particularly remember being moved at the ‘orate fratres’ as the different priests turned around and, occasionally, if they had a server, a number of bells ringing at the elevations and either the hanc igitur or quam oblationes (you will realise we were in an age of change!). Beautiful.
A guess but the bishop who appears in the photo at the bottom of this post and in the video from 0:24 – 0:33 resembles Bishop John Wright (later Cardinal Wright) of blessed memory in Pittsburgh.
acardnal:
Thanks for referring the article at NLM. I am reading it cautiously so I do not to interpret it through the lens of “economy of grace” (i.e. 2 Masses = 2 times the grace). This is indeed a beautiful mystery!
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