Red and Black in the Wild

Check out Fr. Longenecker’s site for some liberal liturgical hijinx.

There is a Red and Black reference.

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  1. La Sandia says:

    That’s not all that different from the sorts of liturgies one sees in many parishes in my home diocese of Rochester, NY.

  2. meunke says:

    The last step in that liturgy is missing. I’ll helpfully provide it here:

    “… give peace a chance”

    And then the retirement community workers will enter and wheel everyone down to the dining room, for it is not meet nor just to miss out on Salisbury Steak Day.

  3. AnAmericanMother says:

    I wish they would bring back “it is meet and right so to do” for “dignum et justum est”.

    “It is very meet, right, and our bounden duty, that we should at all times and in all places give thanks unto thee . . . . “

  4. Ygnacia says:

    Acceptable, except where he refers to the ‘Bishop’ as a ‘he’. Father clearly still has some residual patriarchal dust clinging to him.

  5. quixoticfreak says:

    Lovely. Might just happen in a few days!

  6. Gail F says:

    Speaking of “in the wild,” I had an “ineffable” sighting today in Youcat, #183, p. 110: Why is there music at liturgies? “When we turn to God, there is always something ineffable and unsaid left over.”

  7. contrarian says:

    It’s funny because it’s true.

  8. Tom Esteban says:

    Hmm. Just your everyday liturgy down where I am :-/

    Ok, ok. Not that bad, but the opening “joke” (what I assume is an attempt to ‘lighten the mood’) happens a lot. In fact, our pastor almost always finds it necessary to talk about the sport events and scores that happened over the weekend. It’s not foreign in my parish for the Communion Rite to be interrupted by a joke or some news that couldn’t wait for after mass.

    I don’t think all the blame is to go on priests. I couldn’t imagine leading a parish of 10 people, never mind hundreds or even thousands. I imagine many priests are fully aware of the ‘soundbite’ culture; perhaps priests believe if they don’t insert a joke here and there that people will find the Mass “irrelevant” or “outdated”. Laity have bought the liberal rhetoric hook line and sinker, and priests have to deal with this on a daily basis I am sure. “Father, you’re so solemn! I hate that about the Church, all this seriousness! Jesus is our pal! Those other Churches are always singing and use inclusive language….”. My guess is that many priests wish they could ‘Say the Black and Do the Red’ – or at least sometime in the past they realized the importance of it, but nobody bothered to correct the improv and abuse and so it continues.

    I’m not bothered by how unpopular it might be to say this, but: to Latin we must go. Most priests won’t learn Latin conversationally, 99% of laity wouldn’t understand anything but the prayers of the Mass, and we will engage people on a mystical and reverant level rather than appealing to the lowest common denominator of the emotional. The ad-libbing will stop, which will effectively wipe out 80% of liturgical abuse if you consider that the ab-lib gives the grounding for other abuses (the “It doesn’t matter what I say, so it doesn’t matter what I do” attitude).

  9. Centristian says:

    Well, at least the sedia gestatoria is restored, so it’s not all bad.

  10. HyacinthClare says:

    AmericanMother, did you used to be an Episcopalian, too?

  11. Sword40 says:

    That is a freightening commentary. And “it ain’t funny, McGee”. Thank our Lord, Jesus Christ for the existence of the TLM.

  12. Martial Artist says:


    Much as I like the hieratic language of the BCP, posting it here means our “anglican roots” are showing. But my linguistic preferences, presumably like yours, are the reason I am so cheered by the correction in the new English translation of the Third Edition of the Roman Missal. It is a great help to me by putting me in a more reverent frame of mind.

    Pax et bonum,
    Keith Töpfer

  13. Laura R. says:

    HyacinthClare, with AnAmericanMother, Martial Artist, and me, that makes four of us ex-Episcopalians. I am still scratching my head over the inclusion of traditional BCP language in this too-funny example of “Say the black, do the red”!

  14. mcford1 says:

    Laura R., as an ex-Pepsicolan myself (that makes five of us!) I can explain the reference to the BCP language in Fr. Longenecker’s blog: perhaps you did not realize that before being ordained a Catholic priest, Fr. was a former Anglican priest (in England), and even before that, a student at an evangelical university (Bob Jones). He’s traveled a long and arduous road to the Truth, and deserves our support and webclicks!

  15. mrsmontoya says:

    I wish I could laugh, but my home diocese, San Jose, has a training program that produces such lay “pastoral leaders.” It is so hard to be a Catholic in California sometimes. . .

  16. pm125 says:

    Not laughing anymore, but I was. Do you like N.? The songs and processions.
    Tragedy/Comedy – Sorrowful/Joyful always twisted together in the best.
    It reminded me of the readings beginning the Triduum when the main part designated for ALL: to say is Crucify Him.
    … the hierarchal, patriarchal sort of person leading the procession in penitence … with the lot of ashes on his head and rent garments … “church” like lemmings
    Done in.

  17. Laura R. says:

    mcford1, yes, I was aware of Fr. Longenecker’s fascinating history and have been enjoying his blog for quite some time. I suppose he was going all out for a completely wacky combination of elements — extreme trendiness plus BCP language and gestatorial chairs!

  18. Seamas O Dalaigh says:

    A la recherche du temps perdu.

    James Daly

  19. JonPatrick says:

    Make that 6 former Episcopalians.

  20. Michael in NoVA says:

    7 ex-Episcopalians, and son of a Episc priest, too.

  21. Banjo pickin girl says:

    And an Anglican seminary student.

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