St. James Cathedral in Seattle was defaced with anti-Catholic spray-painted stenciled graffiti.
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A fact to be proud of, actually. She was born in ancient Palestine on Pentecost Sunday.
Legisperitus – I was thinking the same thing!
The more I think about it, it’s hilarious in its ignorance. Yeah, the Church has been around for two millennia, and America for 236 years. Math is harrrrd!
If sandblasting isn’t too expensive, maybe the bishop could be photographed stenciling “FAIL” next to it.
It’s quite obvious that Obama began the contraception fight deliberately, precisely because he knew that it would turn into a conflict between him and the Catholic Church. Like any demagogue, he needs an enemy to rile up his supporters, and he has decided that the Church will play that role. It’s going to get ugly.
Hmm, neither was money, nor clothing, nor the wheel, nor language, nor tools, nor agriculture, nor perhaps this performance artist’s great-grandparents …
So the point is, what exactly? You want was not born here to leave here? Really? In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny:
What a MAROON!
It is possibly fitting, however, that the pastor of St James is the Very Reverend Michael Ryan, the same priest who was instigator of the “Slow Down the ‘New’ Translation” movement last year. He apparently believed that if the translation wasn’t “born here”, it shouldn’t be used.
Neither was George Washington! Nor Thomas Jefferson, Paul Revere, Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, John Marshall, Andrew Jackson, … the list goes on. There were no States to be United at that time.
So obviously, none of the signers of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution were born in the USA.
I don’t get it. What was the point this person was trying to make?
Perhaps it’s pro-Romney graffiti. Mormonism, after all, was born in the USA. Not that that’s anything to be proud of.
I think it’s a birther allusion. So this is a pro-Obama, or at least an anti-anti-Obama, piece of work.
One can tease an interesting argument out of this. Those who think Obama was not born in the USA think he is ineligible to be President, and thus ineligible to hold the position of authority that is the presidency. (Although it doesn’t follow that he is ineligible to vote, or lobby, or legislate. I said “interesting,” not sound, argument.) Our graffiti guy is suggesting that it somehow follows that the Catholic Church, not having been “born in the USA,” is thus ineligible to have a voice in US politics.
The argument is unique enough that it might point to some suspects if instances of it were found on, say, twitter or a blog.
Legisperitus says:
A fact to be proud of, actually. She was born in ancient Palestine on Pentecost Sunday.
Or when God took on human flesh.
I suppose that it follows then that that the Catholic Church is “unamerican”?
You would think that Al Smith was running for president.
The Catholic Church was not born in the USA…
…but neither was Jesus Christ.
Insert “neither was Barack Obama” joke here.
/birther
This is hilarious! Thanks for posting this, Fr. Z! :)
Hmmm, sounds like the tagger might be dealing with a thought disorder. Hope he/she gets proper treatment. My heart goes out to her/his family and/or parents.
I am the last pastor who wants to deal with cleaning up vandalism, especially just a few hours before the weekend masses. I think part of what is happening is that there is a great deal of ugliness coming out of the far right (e.g., the most recent Limbaugh disgrace) and some are scapegoating the church for this because of the alliance with some of the bishops with the far right.
None of this is an excuse for vandalism. Personally, I would prosecute such a vandal to the fullest extent of the law.
“A fact to be proud of, actually. She was born in ancient Palestine on Pentecost Sunday.”
“…the Church has been around for two millennia, and America for 236 years.”
Amen! And no doubt Holy Mother Church will outlive the USA, just as it outlived numerous other empires, states, regimes, etc. Laudetur Iesus Christus!
frjim4321 says:
I am the last pastor who wants to deal with cleaning up vandalism, especially just a few hours before the weekend masses. I think part of what is happening is that there is a great deal of ugliness coming out of the far right (e.g., the most recent Limbaugh disgrace) and some are scapegoating the church for this because of the alliance with some of the bishops with the far right.
Why haven’t you commented on the pro contraception comments coming from the Georgetown law student?
Actually it is rather apt. The Catholic Church was not born in the USA. She was born from eternity, from beyond the beyonds and into forever she will reign by the Power of God, the Redemption of the Son and the merciful abounding love of the Mother !
No one said the Catholic Church is distintinctly American. “Catholic” means universal, after all. The Constitution and its First Amendment were both born in the USA, however, and each allow the Catholic Church’s free exercise of its religion in America by those born both within and without the USA. The Constituion’s and the First Amendment’s words are also more authoritative than those spray painted outside St. James Cathedral.
Surely this is a photo opportunity for Catechesis. It’s a good starting point for a discussion (no matter which Country you live in).
The photo looks photoshopped. The wall does not line up in the middle of the picture?
moon1234, that’s because the text has been sprayed near a corner in the church building. It looks a little small to be one of the transepts, but something similar.
Graffiti with a stencil?
Doubly pathetic.
“THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS NOT BORN IN THE USA”
Your point being…..??????????
“(e.g., the most recent Limbaugh disgrace) ”
Which Limbaugh are you referring to? Did I miss something from El Rushbo?
It’s very ambiguous. Could have been written by a traddie with ultramontane tendencies, the use of a stencil showing his regard for the rubrics.
There is more than just that one spot where graffiti was found at St. James: http://www.king5.com/news/local/Saint-James-Cathedral-targeted-by-graffiti-taggers-141205633.html.
More was found at O’Dea High School down the street.
I think we know that the left needs an enemy to focas on within our country(Obama cannot run on his horrible record)–like the National Socialist Party needed in pre WWII Germany(-and that turned out to be the Jews)–using propaganda and lies. . They also needed a large “state” Church– that would not point out their evil and would praise them–so they split the Lutheran church in Germany. The “state” church was the preferred church. If you read Bonhoeffer by Metasas you can see exactly how it happend. The stenciled graffiti.looks like the perfect signs that the unions,ACORN,SEOU demonstrators always show up with at planned demonstrations supporting Obama and their causes –not spontaneous homemade signs like the tea party.
There are those behind Obama who are looking for what they(and Obama) think is a politically correct target. Make the priests and bishops evil people and therefore the Church.
Amazing arrogance.
Take the conversation away from religious freedom and the Constitution –that is their true target -and make it something else.
According to the news yesterday, Obama called the Georgetown law student to ask if she is OK–because of some criticism she received after her Pelosi news set up -saying she and other female students needed $3000.00 insurance payments for their contriception needs while attending Georgetown. According to a reporter that talked to her-she said that Obama told her that her parents should be proud. Interesting what kind of behavior he thinks is a reason for parents to be proud.
I still don’t quite understand how this is anti-Catholic.
This seems more of a right wing statement than left. There are ppl on the far right that hate the Church as well. From what I understand the left hates the Church for what it is while the right hates the Church for what they think it is. Before I was became Catholic I thought all Catholics were left wing, hippie socialists. All I knew of the Church were those represented on tv and the likes of Pelosi, Kerry and others like them. If a conservative God loving person only knows those Catholic politicians and others claiming to represent the Church than it is no wonder the think the Church is a threat to traditional American values.
Me thinks the mysterious person behind the spray paint is Bruce Springsteen.
@Charivari Rob
Graffiti with a stencil?
Doubly pathetic.
And look how straight and level it is! I wouldn’t be surprised if they used a meter stick and a level. There’s also no runs or over-spray. This looks like the work of one of those Type A perfectionist politician types…
I’m sure the fellow who did this would make a delightful dinner companion!
He even dotted “U.S.A.”–class job! His point is still a little enigmatic to me though. I’m wondering if he’s a disenfranchised ex-catholic or just a tinfoil-hat wearing weirdo who thinks everyone in the world is strange, but that he’s “normal”?
@frjim4321 – “I think part of what is happening is that there is a great deal of ugliness coming out of the far right (e.g., the most recent Limbaugh disgrace)…”
Limbaugh is not “the far right”, Fr Jim.
He forgot, “No Irish Need Apply.”
“The wall does not line up in the middle of the picture?”
I believe there’s a corner there. The other wall is farther back. It’s just the angle from which it was photographed.
Not only is Limbaugh not the far right, but I have yet to encounter anyone who would be classed as far right who is opposed to any church. On the other hand, the folks on the left (who surround me every Sunday in my parish) tend to be very ready to judge, to slander, and to make pronouncements about people to whom they have never listened, and never will.
I want for my Church what I want for my country: a return to traditional values and teaching, and a turning away from modernism and other heresies.
Why haven’t you commented on the pro contraception comments coming from the Georgetown law student?
Because is was not relevant.
@ frjim: Neither was the comment about Rush Limbaugh relevant.
Those who listen only to the sound bites furnished by the media might conclude that Limbaugh’s comments were “ugly.”
Those who actually listened to his program and heard what came before and after the media’s surgically-chosen quotations, know that Rush was spot-on in his analysis of what Ms.-Georgetown-law-student said. I can attest to that, because I did listen to his program.
frjim4321 says:
Why haven’t you commented on the pro contraception comments coming from the Georgetown law student?
Because is was not relevant.
Neither was your Limbaugh comment, but that didn’t stop you.
Let’s face it: You left seminary having been taught to substitute liberal politics for Catholic doctrine.
I will observe that as someone who listens to a good deal of talk radio–therefore conservative radio, since liberal talk radio is not a viable business–I routinely hear conservatives, including Rush, analyzing the impact of events on our country, and what can be done to save and restore the country we love. Pretty much parallel to the thoughts and expressions of Catholics who live their Church, and sorrow for what has been done to it, and to its liturgy. What I do not hear is any of the vitriol so often evident from people on MSNBC, and other liberal sources.
So, frjim, I guess our messages here also qualify as hateful?
frjim4321
behold what your type has sown,
I will bet you Sunday collection it was NOT a conservative of Any stripe that painted said church, and Limbaugh, get over it
frjim4321
to quote Rush” The Catholic Church has a bunch of leftists in it who would just as soon destroy the church and remake it, as the government has liberals in it who want to remake our government and destroy the Constitution. Liberals are liberals. They do not value institutions until they run them and remake them in their own way, and nothing is sacred. Not the Catholic Church, not the Methodist Church. Nothing! Zilch, zero, nada. ”
truer words are hard to come by
I am in the UK but, from what I have read on the internet, I believe that a substantial number of US citizens do regard a US founder or connection in religion to be an indicator of its reliability. No country has founded so many ‘religions’ or denominations that have recruited so well – Mormonism (Garden of Eden in Missouri??), Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, JW’s etc. etc.
I think there is emerging what is known around here as a “rabbit hole.”
I don’t know what the tagger was even getting at. Is this another of those confusing liberal doctrines left to interpretation?
I say the Church should keep it there and add more under and around it clarifying why it is a good thing that the Church was not born in the USA like the rest of the Protestants.
True story, bro. The Catholic Church was born in Judea after Jesus Christ rose from the dead and commissioned his followers to carry on His ministry.
To all the “photo shop conspiracists” the pictures were published on the King 5 website. There were four pictures total.
Along with the “The Catholic Church was not born in the USA” they also painted “The Papal States is not the United States”
It is Anti-Catholic because it targets the Cathedral Church of Western Washington, spiritual home to 500,000+ Catholics (granted, many of whom are CINO’s). Washington State’s “Catholic” Governor just signed a gay marriage bill that the Church, led by our new Archbishop Peter Sartain, publicly opposed. And the HHS mandate from the Obama Administration has been publicly opposed also.
This graffiti (as dumb as it is on the surface) is not just coincidence or random. It is a political statement directed against the Catholic Church. As such it is a hate crime and should the perpetrator be found they should be prosecuted under hate crime laws.
As obtuse as the statement is, it’s meaning is clear to me. Catholic voices are not welcome in the public sphere when the Catholic voice in contrary to secular “left leaning” agendas. To suggest that this graffiti is speaking to any other issue is disingenuous and born of sophistry.
I guarantee you if the graffiti targeted a synagogue or mosque with “Jews are not from the USA” or ‘Islam is not from the USA” that this would have been on the national news. As it is… it barely registered as a story on ONE news outlet in Seattle.
Catholics need to be outraged over this and make sure that Mayor McGinn (Seattle mayor) understands the significance of this hate crime. His office number is (206) 684-4000. His website has additional means of contacting him
http://www.seattle.gov/mayor/citizen_response.htm
http://www.king5.com/news/cities/seattle/Saint-James-Cathedral-targeted-by-graffiti-taggers-141205633.html?gallery=y&img=2&c=y#/news/cities/seattle/Saint-James-Cathedral-targeted-by-graffiti-taggers-141205633.html?gallery=y&img=3&c=y&c=y
since liberal talk radio is not a viable business
I think maybe because they (moderate to liberal people) are working for a living and are not idle between the hours of noon and 3 PM.
Back to the topic at hand:
I’m pretty sure the tagger has some kind of mental problem. He/she is stringing words together that make no sense yet presenting them as if they are some kind of bold statement. The person needs help.
A person like this will probably get caught eventually, but the stencil setup up worries me that he/she is planning multiple targets. Isn’t that what people use stencils for? For duplicating the same thing over and over . . .
@ frjim4321, who are all those bishops who are associated with the far right? How do you identify them? By orthodoxy? By publicly opposing abortion? Maybe by celebrating or encouraging the EF? You seem to think it is a serious problem causing a harmful backlash against the Church, so please tell us what they are doing. Better yet, please tell us who and where they are so I can move to one of their dioceses.
“I think maybe because they (moderate to liberal people) are working for a living and are not idle between the hours of noon and 3 PM.”
I also work for a living, am self-employed, therefore paying self-employment tax, which is not capped as is SS. I am not idle, but am working. My ability to listen is based on working in a private office, and is subject to work demands. However, your reply was a deflection, and ignored your gratuitous assertion in the first place. It also does not address the substance of my comments that analysis is a routine component in talk radio, but not the vitriol we routinely hear form the left.
I pray for the tagger, as I pray for you.
NoTambourines says:
I think there is emerging what is known around here as a “rabbit hole.”
How can a hole emerge?
who are all those bishops who are associated with the far right?
He probably referring to Pope Benedict. To liberals orthodoxy is far right.
Robtbrown:
Touché! Maybe it can emerge… backwards?
frjim4321 says:
since liberal talk radio is not a viable business
I think maybe because they (moderate to liberal people) are working for a living and are not idle between the hours of noon and 3 PM.
I’m not much for talk radio, but my sister and a brother listen to Rush Limbaugh regularly. She is a nurse, and her working hours usually begin after the RL show. Her husband is, BTW, a ret Army Colonel (Airborne Infantry, Ranger, Green Beret) with 3 tours in Viet Nam.
My brother is a recently retired rep for Oncology drugs (e.g., brain cancer). In so far as he often had to drive out of town for appointments (and was often driving between the Medical Center and other appointments in the city), there was ample opportunity to listen to Limbaugh.
You hit the nail on the head Fr. Jim…
The mental problem is called “secular liberalism”. It often manifests itself with vitriolic affronts against the dignity of others and uncharitable interactions with anyone who has opposing viewpoints. In it, substantive issues and root causes of problems are avoided. License trumps Liberty, there are no cardinal headings (relative only), Will To Power is the governing philosophy.
In writing, it is characterized by carefully nuanced statements with double meanings and backhanded compliments. In the traditional sense it’s called sophistry (e.g. “I think part of what is happening is that there is a great deal of ugliness coming out of the far right (e.g., the most recent Limbaugh disgrace) and some are scapegoating the church for this because of the alliance with some of the bishops with the far right.”).
Creating red herrings and straw-men in an attempt to avoid addressing the ugly truth is sad. The only people who find such disingenuous argumentation and discussion appealing are those who revel in rebellion, delight in duplicity, and rejoice in relativism.
Stephen D. said: “I am in the UK but, from what I have read on the internet, I believe that a substantial number of US citizens do regard a US founder or connection in religion to be an indicator of its reliability. No country has founded so many ‘religions’ or denominations that have recruited so well – Mormonism (Garden of Eden in Missouri??), Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, JW’s etc. etc.”
Actually, most US religious groups that were founded here, were founded either: because of a personal or doctrinal dispute within an existing group; or because a person decided that he or she had had some sort of personal revelation, and could convince others to follow. Most of these groups proceeded to go to a lot of trouble to identify their group as being either authentically ancient (more ancient than Christianity, in the case of the Mormons), or of being a revival of ancient lost traditions which only they interpreted correctly. Very few groups were really interested in portraying themselves as modern and American inventions. (The same thing is true of the various American secret societies and brotherhoods that used to be so prevalent in American life, and of most American occult groups.) Even the Pentecostals, who identify themselves with a specific event in San Francisco in a specific year, regard their modern age of charismatic gifts as a revival of the first Pentecost.
I don’t know about megachurches. I think a lot of them deal with it by not mentioning it, just like they deal with being part of a denomination. But others seem to go with the “revival of ancient traditions only we understand,” as well as stadium seating, rock, big screens, and fancy coffee.
I know, man. Americans are weird.
Anyway… the distrust of furrin religions founded by furriners is usually either: mistrust of a church having a hierarchical system (ie, people from churches with no bishops), a belief that Americans should never be ruled by foreigners (ie, a childlike trust that all Catholics obey the Pope unquestioningly, and that the Pope is an evil emperor hanging out with the Scarlet Woman and the Beast), or a belief that Americans are the closest thing to the Early Christians and the Children of Israel and thus only we can understand and revive ancient traditions (ie, too much love for certain eschatological interpretations of American history from Pilgrim and Puritan sources).
Of course, the worse sort of atheist is always ready to grab any possible justification for anti-Catholicism, even if it comes originally from anti-intellectual Christian groups, the Ku Klux Klan, or the Know Nothing political party of the early 1800’s. So it might be somebody who just hates us for having a religion. The graffiti on the school tends to that conclusion.
Doesn’t have to have be logical or reasonable-
Just has to be shouted and repeated , as if with conviction.
Unamerican = bad
Catholics=bad.
We’re in Orwell’s 1984, 2012 version, and we still think this is about reasonable argument amongst civilized people?
National hate week? Gonna be a long week.
The graffiti makes as much sense as the perpetrators who defaced private property. It also goes to show that if you don’t work to define yourself, you run the risk of allowing others to do that for you. This act among others shows how badly the Catholic Church is understood. Which brings me to the next subject raised by others here.
What is more offensive, Rush Limbaugh being Rush Limbaugh, or the fact that a 30-year-old law student used a so-called Catholic university as the backdrop for her direct contradiction of what the Church teaches and apparently did so with the approval of Georgetown faculty and administration?
pyrosapien –
No, I meant like an actual thought disorder that should be diagnosed and treated appropriately.
But the alliteration is a nice touch.
frjim4321: Assuming you are a real commenter and not a troll, I think it’s pretty clear that the reason liberal talk radio is not a going concern is that liberals already have NPR, which they cling to believing is “unbiased.” Having hear the second of Rush Limbaugh’s programs on Ms. Fluke, I can tell you he was HILARIOUS. And in between the ridicule which the activist pretending to be a hapless coed richly deserved for her preposterous testimony, he offered a lot of trenchant analysis of the entire situation. NPR today, however, moaned and wrung its collective hands over the poor “victim” who spoke at the hearing as part of a strategy she was a deliberate and willing part of. Yet I did not hear similar denouncements over the horrible and disgusting things said about Sarah Palin — and I don’t even LIKE Sarah Palin. If you’re going to call for civility you have to demand it from everyone, at least if you want to be taken seriously. But I don’t think they do.
To the person from the UK: Americans that Christianity was not invented in America but, as we have very little regard for history, we know that all the churches are pretty much American now. Except the Catholic Church, which has a head in another country. American’s don’t trust that, and English people didn’t either for many centuries. This seems like the old Know Nothing, Nativist stuff to me.
Having hear the second of Rush Limbaugh’s programs on Ms. Fluke, I can tell you he was HILARIOUS. And in between the ridicule which the activist pretending to be a hapless coed richly deserved for her preposterous testimony, he offered a lot of trenchant analysis of the entire situation.
Liberals have no sense of humor. They never have been able to figure out when Rush’s shtick ends and his serious analysis begins.
Jim, the liberal notion of humor is embodied in Bill Maher.
wmeyer . . . hardly, Bill Maher is mean-spirited and not really a very funny man. I deplore insult-comedy.
Stewart and Colbert are a better example of centrist/liberal comedy and they are truly funny and really not all that mean-spirited, although Stewart does show his disgust at times.
Colbert is a Catholic, and a practicing one, I believe.
Whoah, I just read that Limbaugh has issued a public apology.
They should just spray paint Deo Gratias next to it and leave it that way.
That graffiti could have been done by someone on the left, but my first thought on seeing it was the Ku Klux Klan, or other non-Catholic Christians who hate the Catholic Church.
Yes, Rush did apologize, as he should have. People here are defending what he said? Where in the Bible does Christ call women names like the word Rush used?
I smell troll, but let’s feed it just enough to watch it choke on its own bile…
“I think maybe because they (moderate to liberal people) are working for a living and are not idle between the hours of noon and 3 PM.”
Truly funny, though I suspect that you wouldn’t appreciate the irony and humor of your statement unless you lived in Portland, OR (as I have done for the past five years), and witnessed the months-long Occupy Portland movement (as I have). Not too many of the “right wing” types in those camps, I can assure you. They seemed pretty idle in between the marching and disjointed demands for, well, something anti-corporate – was usually disjointed for the most part, though.
Tell me something, frjim4321… do you have any idea at all as to what constitutes reality?
(Incidentally, I once listed to a lot of talk radio back in the day. This was mostly because I spent a lot of time on the road… working. Nowadays I just catch the odd podcast, or maybe grab a snippet during lunch hour. As the 12-3 time slot covers lunch hour in three time zones, it evens out even among the lunch crowd.)
I’m pretty proud of that fact. I’d gladly have that spray-painted on my wall.
I agree: leave the orignial grafitti and add more . . .
The Catholic Church was not born in the U.S.A. ; its Founder and Head was born in the city of David that is called Bethlehem,, and they wrapped Him in swaddling clothes and laid Him in a manger because there was no room in the inn.
For some people here in the U.S.A. down to this very day, there is still no room for the King of Kings and the Prince of Peace. But for the Catholic Church He will always be our Head and our Heart.
Many Catholics, instead of listening to El Rushbo, spend those hours reading Sacred Scripture, praying the Rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet, visiting the infirm and the sick, calling friends, catching up on their bills, going for walks, and sitting down to a nice cup of tea.
Points to our intrepid vandal for knowing a little history — and a little geography, for another graffito points out “THE PAPAL STATES IS NOT THE UNITED STATES” — but I think he doesn’t really get this whole “hate speech” thing.
The vague meaninglessly worded ‘spirit of Vatican II’ is also affecting our detractors it seems…