QUAERITUR: Things manipular. Wherein Fr. Z rants and ties on one.

From a reader:

For some reason unbeknownst to me I am intrigued by the maniple. My understanding is that when the maniple comes off, the Mass is suspended, hence the reason for permitting the reading of announcements just prior to the sermon. Without it the Mass is invalid.

So now in the OF Mass during which wearing a maniple is permitted, but not required, thus very rarely ever worn (I myself have never seen it, only read about it on here), is the Mass automatically suspended on its own right after the Gospel when the priest starts saying the homily and/or doing whatever else he likes to do during that time?

Now, assuming it doesn’t, if a priest chooses to wear a maniple during the OF and removes it before the homily, would this suspend the Mass, or in the OF is the wearing of a maniple merely a completely symbolic gesture having zero effect on the Mass?

I usually like/take questions with one clear point, but I’ll deal with several here.

1. When the maniple comes off, Mass is suspended.

Not quite.  In some schools of thought concerning the older form of Mass the sermon was not considered part of Mass.  The priest wears the maniple only during Mass.  Thus he removed it for the sermon.  The maniple comes off because Mass is supended, not the other way around.

2. Without it the Mass is invalid.

No.  Absolutely wrong.  A TLM would certainly be valid.  However, the maniple is a prescribed vestment for the TLM.  The priest must wear one if there is one.  Of course, the priest is not bound to the impossible.  If there is no maniple and not even a stoll can be adapted, then Mass goes ahead and that’s the way it is.

3. The maniple is permitted in the Ordinary Form.

Yes, it is.  The maniple is permitted as an option but not obligatory in the Ordinary Form.  The maniple is obligatory in the Extraordinary Form and is not an option.  There is some confusion about this point.  Some say that if in the GIRM the maniple is not mentioned, it cannot, must not be used.  I reject those claims with a dismissive wave of my hand and pursed lips.  Wrong, simply wrong and very wrong.  Wrong wrong wrong.

Let maniples abound!  Let maniples multiply!  Let maniples be used by all priests of the Latin Church always and everywhere in both forms of the Roman Rite!

I wonder if the New Evangelization can take place without the maniple.

Think about this.

  • For there to be a New Evangelization, we must have a revitalization of our Catholic identity.
  • For there to be a revitalization of our Catholic identity, we must reclaim our liturgical heritage.
  • For us to reclaim our liturgical heritage, we need the fruits and influences of the older, Extraordinary Form.
  • For the Extraordinary Form to be helpful, if must be celebrated in more and more places.
  • For the celebration of the Extraordinary Form to take place in more and more places, we need more maniples.
  • Maniples are a quibus sine non, necessary for a successful promotion of the New Evangelization!

As I boldly proclaimed here some years ago, Fathers….

Tie One On!

The New Evangelization depends on you!

And don’t forget this.

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Minnesota Bishops ask parishes to create grass-roots committees in defense of marriage

In my native place, Minnesota, the Catholic Bishops have banded together in a defense of true marriage against a redefinition of marriage to include something unnatural.  Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.  They are working together to support passage of an amendment to the state constitution in favor of real marriage.

It seems to me that a great many problems are going to be created for the Church and for practicing Catholics over this issue and its ramifications.

In the Minnesota Independent we find this.

Taking a page from efforts in California, Archbishop John Nienstedt sent a letter to all the priests of the Archdiocese asking them to create in all the parishes committees with a “captain” to coordinate efforts in defense of marriage.

Archdiocese plans anti-gay marriage committees in every Minnesota Catholic church

By Andy Birkey
Monday, October 17, 2011 at 6:00 am

Archbishop John Nienstedt sent a letter to every priest in the state at the start of October urging them to put every Catholic church in Minnesota tow work passing a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

“It is imperative that we marshal our resources to educate the faithful about the Church’s teachings on these matters, and to vigorously organize and support a grass roots effort to get out the vote to support the passage of the amendment,” the letter read. It went out on Oct. 4 to every priest in the state.

The archbishop said it wants priests in every parish to identify a “church captain” in order to create an “ad hoc committee” in every church in the state. The “church captain” is a component of the Schubert Flint strategy used in 2008?s divisive Proposition 8 battle in California.

The strategy mirrors a similar one used by conservative Christians in California to pass Proposition 8 and end marriage rights for same-sex couples.

Schubert Flint was a public affairs firm at the heart of California’s successful push by conservative Christians to repeal marriage rights for that state’s same-sex couples. In a post-mortem, the firm wrote about it’s use of church captains:

We built a campaign volunteer structure around both time-honored campaign grassroots tactics of organizing in churches, with a ground-up structure of church captains, precinct captains, zip code supervisors and area directors; and the latest Internet and web-based grassroots tools.

Schubert Flint has been active in Minnesota, in particular during the 2010 gubernatorial election when it created a series of ads attacking DFL and Independence Party candidates for their support of rights for same-sex couples.

According to Nienstedt’s letter, the church captains will be organized by the Minnesota Catholic Conference, the public policy arm of the Catholic church, which will in turn report to the Minnesota for Marriage coalition for statewide efforts. Minnesota for Marriage is made up of the Minnesota Family Council, MCC and the National Organization for Marriage.

“A major issues will be placed before the State of Minnesota in the November 2012 election. a constitutional amendment to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman,” Nienstedt wrote. “The sanctity of marriage and vital role of the family is at stake. It is a firmly-held teaching of our church that a marriage is a union of a husband and a wife, and that they together are the ones suited to be a father and a mother.”

He added, “To define it otherwise is a detriment to the common good of society.”

Here’s the full letter from Nienstedt — Attached

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QUAERITUR: Proportion of communicants and ministers

From a reader:

Today, in a rather large church, there was only 20 in attendance at mass with 17 of us going to Holy Communion. Father had 3 EMHC assist him. One with the Body of Christ and two with the Blood of Christ.

Is there a definite rule as to when the EMHC should be used? I am obviously not versed in the use of EMHC, but in the above mentioned mass in was obvious to me that there was an abuse.

There is not a definite rule which spells out numbers and proportions of communicants to ministers. However, it seems to me that if Holy Communion is offered under both kind to that small a group, the priest and one person should suffice. More than that would constitute a violation of what is laid down in Redemptionis Sacramentum, et al.

It is wrong to have more ministers simply to “get more people involved”. If there is no real necessity, then it is an abuse.

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QUAERITUR: Mind goes blank during confession

From a reader:

I went to Confession the other day, and my biggest fear came true- my mind went completely blank.

What happened was the guy ahead of me informed the priest (he’s a visiting priest) that we could hear everything he was saying outside the confessional. When I went in and started the “Bless me Father”, the priest loudly tapped on the plexi-glass glass screen (it sounded more like banging because it was loose) and told me I needed to whisper right into the screen (I wasn’t talking loudly). It completely scared me, as I wasn’t expecting that. My mind went completely blank and I couldn’t even remember the rest of the, “Bless me Father”. I knelt there racking my brain (and desperately trying not to curse) while the priest just sat there in silence. No helping me along. About a minute or two later I got the “I accuse myself of the following sins”, but as for confessing my sins, I could only remember a few after racking my brain for a while.

This was a most unpleasant Confession experience, and something I was always afraid would happen. What should I do if it ever happens again?

First, isn’t it wonderful that the priest was hearing confessions?

Everyone is going to be a different in this regard. However, perhaps using a specific method of examining your conscience could help. For example, get used to using the Ten Commandments. If you go blank, just start at the top. Also, if you are making a regular examination of conscience, you will be used to doing this.

Always keep your voice low in the confessional.

In the meantime, if you forget things, keep in mind that when you have done your best, all your sins are forgiven.  Just do your best.  That’s all God asks of us.  Be humble and sorry and resolve to be better and avoid sins in the future.

When you remember in the future, go ahead and confess your sins, perhaps mentioning that they were things you forgot the last time.

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A reader’s experience of the Extraordinary Form

From a reader:

Yesterday evening, I had the pleasure of attending my second
Extraordinary Form mass. It was held in honor of the close of our parish’s Forty Hours devotion.

Unlike the first mass where I felt overwhelmed and a little lost, this time I was able to follow along with the handout much more easily. More importantly I allowed myself to be immersed in the chants and the realization that all the prayers and every action were directed to God for our sake by the priest. The beauty and richness of the liturgy were quite unlike anything I’d really every seen before.

After leaving the Church I couldn’t help but think I would like to go to this form of the Mass more often and for the first time I really understood why many people have this attachment to the older form.

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“the risk of a despotism freed from every fetter”

The other day I stood at the place where King Henry VIII was born.  I recall the exhibit at the British Library a couple years back for the centenary of the coronation of that King.  On the way into the exhibit a blurb on the wall described him as a “monster”.   Among the items in the exhibit were Cromwell’s list of things-to-do (More’s and Fisher’s names were checked off) and St. Thomas More’s final letter to the King about to have him beheaded.  St. Thomas wrote:

‘I shold onys mete with your Grace agayn in hevyn, and there be mery with you.’

At American Catholic I spotted this quote from Winston Churchill:

Here are the words of Sir Winston Churchill on More:

“The resistance of More and Fisher to the royal supremacy in Church government was a heroic stand. They realised the defects of the existing Catholic system, but they hated and feared the aggressive nationalism which was destroying the unity of Christendom. They saw that the break with Rome carried with it the risk of a despotism freed from every fetter. More stood forth as the defender of all that was finest in the medieval outlook. He represents to history its universality, its belief in spiritual values, and its instinctive sense of otherworldliness. Henry VIII with cruel axe decapitated not only a wise and gifted counselor, but a system which, though it had failed to live up to its ideals in practice, had for long furnished mankind with its brightest dreams.”

A nice little montage was posted over there, by the way, made of clips from The Tudors, a dreadful show in some few but important respects, but in the balance pretty fair to the Church.  I am guessing that since it was made in Ireland, the makers hated the Henry and the English more than the Church, so they treated the Church pretty well.  The depiction of Sts. Thomas and John Fisher were very good.

I am digressing.  Montage…

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QUAERITUR: Didn’t finish penance from confession before Communion.

From a reader:

Yesterday before mass I went to confession and by the time I was in the confessional, the bells of the consecration were ringing. My pennance was 12 Our Fathers and 12 Hail Mary’s. (I had confessed some mortal sins, and therefore HAD to confess before I could recieve the Eucharist) I went to a side chapel to try to pray my pennance quickly before recieving communion. Well, I just could not pray while hearing what was going on in the main part of the Church. At one point they were actually saying the Our Father while I was, but at a different
point, and I was just lost. So I gave up, and resolved to do my
pennance after mass
. I recieved communion. Was this correct?

Yes, you were okay. Please review this post in which I describe that the validity of the absolution is not dependent on doing the penance assigned by the confessor.

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Chiesa: Vatican II, continuity and/or rupture

I am scanning some things on the web from my phone, which makes this clunky, but do check out the latest on Chiesa. A provocative paragraph:

A third development of the discussion regards a thesis of Vatican II that is particularly contested by the traditionalists: that of religious freedom.

In effect, there is an unquestionable rupture between the statements in this regard from Vatican II and the previous condemnations of liberalism made by the popes of the nineteenth century.

I’ve been doing a lot of reading on religious liberty these days, so this is quite interesting to me. Religious liberty is also going to be an issue for discussion during the US presidential election cycle, too.

It seems to me that the present administration is undermining freedom of religion, not just of public expression.

In any event, the piece on Chiesa has a good round up of what is being discussed and written about the Council, how it us being reconsidered. Rather exciting.

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QUAERITUR: Ringing bells during Mass

I will leave this to the readers to help with.

I’m training the altar servers at my parish, and we want to add ringing the sanctus bells at the epiclesis. In the 3rd edition of the roman missal, when should the bells be rung at the epiclesis? Is there an exact moment that is preferable? I haven’t been able to find any detailed help online.

Help this fellow!

What do you do at your parishes? Have any quotes from manuals?

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England: 27-28 Oct meeting of Confraternity of Catholic Clergy

I have written before about the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy which has formed in England.  Here is a note about their progress. I picked this up from His Hermeueticalness’s blog:

The British Province of St Gregory the Great of the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy is holding a colloquium for priests from 27-28 October at the Oratory School in Reading. This will be a chance to hear and to meet Bishop Mark Davies. Another distinguished speaker will be Bishop Geoffrey Jarrett of Lismore Australia, a former chairman of the Australian CCC, who will be speaking on Liturgy and Evangelisation. As if that were not enough, Mgr Andrew Wadsworth, the Executive Director of ICEL will also be speaking on “The Priest, the Parish and the New Translation.”

This Colloquium is set to be of historic importance for the Church in Britain so if any of you brother priests is free, even to attend part of the event, it would be worthwhile. Bookings can still be taken up until Sunday evening. Any priests who would like to attend should email Fr Richard Whinder, ring 020 8876 1326 or write to St Mary Magdalen’s Presbytery, 61 North Worple Way, Mortlake, London SW14 8PR.

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