ASK FATHER: Can bishop/rector forbid seminarians from attending Extraordinary Form?

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

Can a bishop in a diocese forbid seminarians from attending the extraordinary form of the Mass?

This is happening in the ___ diocese. My friend who just entered this seminary informed me of this when I invited him to join a group our friends in attending an Extraordinary Form Mass. The decision was made to ensure that the seminarians develop a proper appreciation of the Ordinary Form. [?]

I don’t mean to come across as accusatory toward the bishop [or rector?] and I can see wisdom in trying to protect the seminarians from some of the radical traditionalists out there (although that isn’t the stated purpose of the ban), but this seems absurd to me.

I assume that the same bishop and/or rector also forbade seminarians from participation at the Divine Liturgy of Eastern Catholic.  Thus, they may not go to a Maronite or Ukrainian Catholic Church.  Think about it.  If seminarians are not permitted to attend a Mass in their own Church and Rite, how much less would they be permitted to attend Divine Liturgies of Eastern Churches and Rites?

Right?

This has a “Sieve and Sand” feeling to it.

As I have written before, it matters not a whit if a bishop or a rector has the authority -legitimately – to tell seminarians that they may not attend Holy Mass in the Extraordinary Form.

The only thing that matters is that they can throw men out of the seminary just because that morning they didn’t like their corn flakes.

They don’t have to give you a reason.  They wield power and you don’t. That’s that.  That is, in particular, how liberals work.  Get used to this harsh fact about our clerical world.

Seminarians! LISTEN UP!

If your rector or bishop has a “Latin Mass” phobia, fine.

Smile.  Be cordial.  Obey.

In the meantime, learn everything they teach, participate fully and cheerfully in the program of formation, and redouble your efforts on your own, discretely, to learn the Extraordinary Form.

Don’t make waves. Don’t put an interest in anything traditional (i.e., Catholic) on display.  Always participate well and properly in the Ordinary Form with not a hint of criticism.

You are not there to pass judgment on the formation program.  Get through it and make good use of the good elements.  Squeeze the orange (or lemon) for every possible good drop. Check off the days on your calendar.

As to the assertion that a “decision was made to ensure that the seminarians develop a proper appreciation of the Ordinary Form”….  I have to say something about that.

I don’t think there is a way to have “a proper appreciation of the Ordinary Form” without appreciation of the Extraordinary Form.

Seminaries often put on airs of being a grad school level program.  A decision to deny seminarians training in and access to the Extraordinary Form is like saying to an English major, “You are forbidden in this department from studying Beowulf, Chaucer, Shakespeare, or any writer until the late 20th century.  You may, however, study Vonnegut and Maya Angelou.  You may not the production of Hamlet being staged downtown or you will be punished.”  Forbidding participation in Extraordinary Form is like forbidding a German Lit major from studying German or reading Goethe… in German.  Disallowing the older form of Mass is like blocking an American History student from reading European History.  Forbidding the Usus Antiquior is like telling a med student not to study biology.   Telling seminarians that the TLM is off limits is like telling a music major that she can’t study solfège, or figured bass, or anything before Arnold Schoenberg?

I suspect that the formators, if they know anything about the Extraordinary Form, which cannot be assumed, don’t like the spiritual content of the older form of the Roman Rite, or what they imagine it to be, and what it means for the Catholic priesthood.

Here’s a good question: How many format ors of seminarians know how to celebrate the Extraordinary Form?  Shouldn’t they be able to?  Nemo dat quod non habet, after all.  And, by the way, review 1983 CIC can. 249.

At a certain point, someone, usually a representative of the seminary, will have to stand up at a diaconate ordination or a priesthood ordination and attest that the men are properly formed. If the ordinands don’t have a knowledge of their own Rite, can that attestation be true?

So, as I said, seminarians, be good.  Apply yourselves to your studies and be cheerful.  You don’t have a vocation to be a seminarian forever.  Priesthood is forever.  It is only a few short years away.  A lot can happen in a few short years.

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Philip Booth’s column in The Catholic Herald

I direct the readerships attention to an interesting piece in the UK’s best Catholic weekly, The Catholic Herald, written by Philip Booth who is the “editorial and programme director of the Institute of Economic Affairs”.

Booth comments on recent remarks made by His Eminence Oscar Card. Rodriguez Maradiaga on economic issues and goes on to make his own observations about the relationship of free markets, big government, poverty and unemployment.

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LESSONS FOR SYNOD WATCHERS

Here is a reminder about how men take care of differences.

Watch to the end, it is only about 1:30. The impatient can go to about 1:00.

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Yep. This is about right. Let’s have the fight.

And for those who don’t know anything about history, Synods are messy.

Who really prefers dealing with serious questions in a meeting as orchestrated as a convocation with Dear Leader in the Supreme Hall of the People?

Need a hint?

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VIDEOS: Card. Burke & Card. Kasper – compare & contrast. Wherein Fr. Z rants.

Catholic News Service issued excepts from a video interview with His Eminence Raymond Card. Burke. (655 views as I post)

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Card. Kasper also has one.  (905 views as I post)

Compare and contrast. (Watch the imagery.)

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My first impression?

In the one case, we find an appeal to feelings and even sentimentality.  In the other case, we have an appeal to the words of the Lord and the consistent teaching of the Church.

Allow me to muse for a while, and not necessary in strict regard to the two videos, above, but rather to the whole trajectory of the present debates about Communion for the civilly remarried.

Keep in mind that when the debate engages, one side can deploy – responsibly or not – a word field including “love, mercy, compassion, tolerance, pastoral” and the other must refer to “history, law, truth, justice, responsibility”.  That latter word field… probably will not be able to carry the day.  The side with the second word field will have a hard time winning the argument (in the eyes and ears of the less than educated or the less than faithful).  Furthermore, the previous side can always then confuse the issue with accusations of “ideology” (because the case is clear and arguable) and “fundamentalism” (because there are appeals to precise verses of Scripture and documents of the Magisterium.  In this debate, the new words for “fidelity to doctrine” are “ideology” or “fundamentalism”.

Do not be distracted by that.

In no way is it fundamentalism or ideology to take the Gospel seriously, to take the Magisterium seriously.

 

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How many Little Flowers does it take to make a bouquet?

Here’s something both Catholic and cute for a change.

In the Diocese of Lincoln, where it is still okay to be a faithful Catholic openly, there is a school where, on the Feast of St. Therese, the girls dress as the Little Flower for the day.  Bp. Conley celebrated Mass for the school.

Photos HERE

And a sampling…

 

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SAN DIEGO: Brick by Brick with Latin Novus Ordo with Spanish speakers

I recently posted about the good news in the Diocese of Raleigh where, in Dunn, NC, at Sacred Heart Church there are now Masses in the Extraordinary Form celebrated with Spanish re-readings and sermon.  HERE

For your Brick by Brick file, I share this email about a Novus Ordo development in San Diego.  The prose is a bit turgid, but you can take in the good news:

Father I think this falls under the Good News dept. On Monday evening last, the Brothers of the Little Oratory in San Diego [I like Oratories] sponsored an exemplary New Rite, Latin, ad Orientem, Roman-vestmented, Gregorian chanted, properly served mass for Michaelmas [that’s 29 Sept] at St. John of the Cross Catholic Church in Lemon Grove, Ca, about ten miles directly east of downtown San Diego. There were about a hundred and fifty persons in attendance, the reading was properly intoned in Latin by one of the Brothers of the Little Oratory in San Diego, Dr. Roberto Lionello, who is also a Latin-fluent member of the Familia Sancti Hieronymi. By far most of the attendees were parishioners of St. John’s, and most were Spanish speakers, all of whom followed the mass with rapt devotion, and Fr. Navarra homilized on the Archangels as “function and not nature,” after a text by St. Gregory the Great from the new office, in both Spanish and English. The occasional crying and playing of more than a few children also gave testimony of the family oriented congregation, and also that Father Peter Navarra, had promoted this mass to his his congregation, and got a sizable turnout in return.

Generally speaking, the Extraordinary Form is the preference of most of our members, however the Brothers do sponsor “traditionalized” New Rite masses from time to time, simply exercising available options which go generally unused, and apparently the results speak for themselves. We also sang the propers common to the 1972 Graduale, although in this case the feast (which we have celebrated on a number of occasions in years past) is one of several in which the new and old propers coincide completely. Further, the prayers of the faithful, rendered in English were followed by “…exaudire digneris: Te rogamus audi nos” on the litany tone. Communion was distributed kneeling, and on the tongue. The ordinary of the mass was setting XIV, and the office We have been facilitated in all of this since (I believe it was) 2004 by a generous act of our then Auxiliary Bishop Salvatore Cordileone, now Archbishop of San Francisco, who in 2004 brought us – at the expense of his labor in carrying it home from Rome – a Missale Romanum Latin altar missal for the Ordinary Form, as well as a three-volume hard-bound Lectionarium. We have endeavored to use the gift well.

I have always objected to called the Extraordinary Form or Usus Antiquior simply “the Latin Mass”.  “Traditional Latin Mass”, yes.  “The Latin Mass”… fail.  This is because the Novus Ordo or Ordinary Form is also supposed to be in Latin.  We should work hard against segregating the use of Latin only in the Extraordinary Form.   This is why I think it was such a bad idea with the publication of the Roman Missal with the new, 2011 translation not to include the Latin appendix that was in the now obsolete Sacramentary.

You might be interested to know that a priest gave me a beautifully printed supplement for the newer English Roman Missal that could be easily affixed inside the book’s cover, thus supplying the missing Latin appendix.

Meanwhile, kudos to the group in San Diego.

Let Latin, tool of the New Evangelization, bring us all together.

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Thanks to and Mass for benefactors

Yesterday I sent out some thank you notes to people who have recently sent donations.  However, a few were kicked back as undeliverable.  Not too worry.  I record everyone’s names.

Today, 2 October, Feast of the Angel Guardians, I will offer Holy Mass for all my benefactors, [during my afternoon, 5 pm CDT (-5 GMT)] including those who use the donation button, who subscribe to a monthly donation, and who send items or Kindle books (I got one of those yesterday).  Also, thanks to LF for the “Juicebox”.  Very cool.  And always to KA, GS, and especially DY.

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OK CITY: Archbp. Coakley exorcised Civil Center after evil event

I saw this at the Oklahoman:

Satan has left the building.

Roman Catholic Archbishop Paul S. Coakley and a priest performed “prayers of exorcism” to rid the Civic Center Music Hall of evil spirits that may have lingered after a satanic “black mass” was held thereThe Oklahoman has learned. [Excellent.  I hope they used the older, traditional Roman Ritual.]

Diane Clay, spokeswoman for the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City, said on Wednesday that Coakley decided to perform the ancient ritual in the Oklahoma City public venue after he learned that some Civic Center patrons were troubled and anxious about the possible diabolical after-effects of the Sept. 21 black mass. An exorcism is a ritual generally performed to cast out a demon from an individual. [There is also a chapter for places.  And it should be USED!  More often!]

“From the beginning, we have taken seriously the dark and dangerous spirits being invited into our community.  [Once invited, they don’t leave.  They consider that a binding contract has been made.  They are rigidily legalistic. That hold has to be broken, layer after layer all the way to expulsion.] We anticipated this would be a concern for those visiting the Civic Center, and we’ve received many questions about the safety of the building following the satanic ritual,” Coakley said in a statement.

“To address those concerns, we visited the venue the next morning to pray prayers of exorcism over the place and to pray the prayers for cleansing.”

The Dakhma of Angra Mainyu Syndicate, a group of devil worshipers led by Adam Daniels, held the black mass in the Civic Center’s CitySpace Theatre, a small venue with fewer than 100 seats. Daniels told the 42 people who attended the black mass that it was being held as a mockery of the Catholic Mass so that people would be less afraid of the Catholic Church.

Wednesday, Daniels said he wasn’t surprised to learn about Coakley’s on-site prayers to rid the Civic Center of evil in the aftermath of the black mass.

“I find it hilarious how over- responsive he’s being to all of this,” Daniels said. “As I said before, it (black mass) is a deprogramming ritual to cast Christianity out of people. All they (the archdiocese) care about is their religious freedom and not anybody else’s.”

Visit was short

Jennifer Lindsey-McClintock, spokes woman for the Civic Center, said Coakley inquired about visiting the venue and arrived there before business hours, about 7:30 a.m., on Sept. 22, the day after the black mass. She said Jim Brown, the Civic Center’s general manager, let Coakley into the venue and the religious leader’s visit was short.

“It came about very quietly and was private,” Lindsey-McClintock said.

“He (Coakley) felt very strongly about wanting to come in and perform a cleansing of that space of whatever entities he felt might remain.”

She said others in the community expressed a similar idea through emails sent to the city of Oklahoma City on the day of the black mass and several days afterward.

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Read the rest there.

It is good to read this on the Feast of the Guardian Angels.

We have many weapons and great armor for our spiritual warfare as a Church.  I think we should use them all.

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More from ISIS and the Religion of Peace

From the Daily Mail:

Raped, tortured, forced to watch beheadings, then beaten when they tried to kill themselves: Yazidi girls reveal the hell they endured during ISIS captivity

  • Two teenage Yazidi girls have described the horror of being capture by Isis
  • Aged just 15 and 19, they saw men from their community mercilessly killed
  • Both were taken away to be sold on to men in the Iraqi city of Mosul
  • Hundreds of other Yazidi females suffered a similarly traumatic fate
  • The girls said some considered suicide rather than enduring their ordeal

By Ted Thornhill for MailOnline

Published: 05:59 EST, 1 October 2014 | Updated: 13:06 EST, 1 October 2014

Two Yazidi teenagers who escaped the clutches of Isis have revealed the full horror of their capture and captivity.

They have described being tortured and forced to watch videos of men from their community being beheaded.

Some, they said, were so traumatised by their experiences that they tried to commit suicide. However, those that tried to kill themselves were severely beaten by Isis fighters.

The women were separated from the men – who were simply mown down by machine gun fire in one of the rooms.

Sara was bundled onto a pick-up truck and taken to Mosul, where she was held with hundreds of others prior to being sold off.

She told Globalpost.com: ‘We would try to make ourselves look ugly. Some women would cry or scream or fight, but it made no difference. They were always taken anyway. One girl hung herself. Another tried, but the IS guards stopped her and beat her very badly. No one else tried after that.’

Sara, who described Isis fighters as ‘dirty, with hairy faces and smelling bad’ was eventually sold to ‘an old man and a fat man’.

She said that they would show her videos of Isis militants beheading her neighbors.

She added: ‘In some [videos] they put the heads into cooking pots. Sometimes they would stand on them. There were so many heads. And they would ask us, ‘Do you know this one?’ and laugh.’

Sara, whose real name has been changed, recalled that she would sometimes have huge amounts of blood drawn from her arm by one of the men using a syringe, leaving her feeling sick and faint.

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Read the rest there.

Sts. Nunilo and Alodia, pray for us.

St. Lawrence of Brindisi, pray for us.

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From whom demons withdraw in terror and pain

The world’s quicksand is shifting under our feet.

More than ever we need the help that God sends us through the loving help of our Guardian Angels.

Yes, there are angels.  Open your Bible and, within a few pages, you’ll find angels.

From the Martyrologium Romanum (which you readers can put into perfect yet smooth and elegant English):

Memoria sanctorum Angelorum Custodum, qui, primum ad contemplandam in splendore faciem Dei vocati, a Domino etiam apud homines commissi sunt, ut iis invisibili sua, sed sollicita, praesentia adessent ac consulerent.

There are three types of persons, divine, angelic and human.  Of the three types, divine persons, the Holy Trinity One God, are uncreated.  Angelic and human are created persons.  Angels have no material component, but humans do.

Because angels are not limited by matter, or individuated in matter, and since they are purely spiritual persons, each angel is his own species. They are like in that they are angels, and unlike in that each one is particular to himself. There is, therefore, a hierarchy among the angels. But all of them always contemplate God, as angels can. They don’t have to be limited to any place, since they have no bodies. They simply are where they are in action.

So aligned are they with the will of God that when they appear in Scripture and speak, sometimes it is hard to tell when God is speaking and when they speak.

Our angel guardians can be from the anywhere in the myriads and myriads of ranks of the angels. They could be from the highest of the high or even from the lowliest little angel at the bottom of the hierarchy. But even the lowliest of the angels is beyond any human conception of mightiness. The least of the angels, were God to will or permit, could mash the cosmos into a little pea and flash the Big Bang again.

Provided that it falls within God’s will, from which it is impossible for them to stray, the material universe presents no obstacles to them. They know the essences of things directly, without having to figure them out.

Do you pray to your Guardian Angel? I sure do. I am constantly asking for help with problems and, especially, with other people. I will sometimes also ask the angelic guardians of other people to help me work something out when there is great need. And I, a weak sinner, have need all the time.

Though I loath the pastels and the foofy portrayal of these fearfully beautiful beings, I love idea behind the old pious images made for children’s bedrooms.  You see a bright yet obviously invisible angel preventing a distracted little kid from plunging off cliff as she tries to pick a pretty flower that is just out of reach.

They guide us dopey children back to a safer path.

We all all get into trouble and we all need this help.

God, who knows us better than we know ourselves, sends us mighty help before whom the fallen angels of Hell withdraw in terror and pain.

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