ASK FATHER: Catholic wishes to marry “non-denominational Christian”

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

When a nondenominational Christian wishes to marry a Catholic, what must that Christian do if they do not wish to convert to Catholicism?

First, I must say that marrying a non-Catholic isn’t the very best of situations.  Yes, yes.  I know that this happens all the time.  However, I’ll bet that if the Catholic and non-Catholic are in anyway serious about their respective identities, they would rapidly admit my point, especially as children come along.

If the “non-denominational Christian” … by the way, what an odd notion that is – “non-denominational Christian”!  In one sense, Catholics are “non-denominational” because, as members of the Church founded by Christ, Catholics are not a mere denomination.   We ARE Christians in the fullest sense of the word. Catholics are the denomination.  We have it all.  But I digress.

If the non-denominational Christian has received valid baptism, then, in order to marry a Catholic, the couple will need to participate in marriage preparation at the Catholic party’s parish. Subsequently, the pastor, if he believes the couple is adequately prepared for marriage and if he has the well-founded hope that this union will have sacramental potential, he will then request of the local ordinary (usually the bishop or vicar general) permission to perform an interfaith wedding.

ASK FATHER: Catholic wishes to marry "non-denominational Christian"Before that takes place, the Catholic party will need to promise to retain his or her Catholic Faith and to do all in his or her power to ensure that that Catholic Faith is handed on to the children of the union.  The non-denominational Christian will not be asked to make these promises.  Instead, he or she must be informed that his or her intended spouse has made them.

The marriage should not take place in the context of a Mass.

If the non-denominational Christian was not validly baptized, all of the above is the same, except that, instead of asking the local ordinary for mere permission, the pastor will need to ask the local ordinary for a dispensation from the law. Canon law (can. 1086 of the Latin Code and can. 803 of the Eastern Code, among other canons) requires that Catholics marry baptized persons. The bishop can dispense from this requirement, if there is a good reason.

By the way, I’m not convinced that, “I’m in love with Harvey, he’s sooooo cute and, and, like, he’s my souuulmaate” is a good reason, especially since many interreligious marriages fail.  But the local ordinary is the one who gets to make that call!

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Card Burke interview on “hot button” topics. Fr. Z rants.

card burkeAt my old stomping ground The Wanderer (I had a weekly column for 11 years) there is an interview with His Eminence Raymond Leo Card. Burke.  Read the whole thing there, but here is a sample of Part One of the interview, with my patented treatment.

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Q. Returning to a point you previously mentioned [about the last, controversial Synod of Bishops], you noted that even though three contentious paragraphs [on divorced, civilly remarried and homosexuals] failed to garner the required two-thirds majority, they were included in the final relatio. You subsequently called for these “hot-button topics” to be removed from consideration. Do you think there is a legitimate possibility that they will be taken off the table prior to the General Synod?
In the meantime, how can faithful Catholics respond to questions regarding the perception of many that the Church is on the verge of changing her teaching? What positive steps can be taken by the laity?

A. I trust that there is a possibility that these topics will be taken off the table prior to the General Synod — that is precisely why I have insisted upon it. But it will not happen easily because those insisting on their consideration are in positions of great influence with regard to the Synod of Bishops.  [Whom I suspect have strong reasons for those paragraphs to remain at the heart of the final resulting document.]
The Church cannot change her teaching on the indissolubility of marriage and the grave sinfulness of sexual relations outside the matrimonial union and the grave sinfulness of homosexual acts. [Before some nitwit out there says that “Burke is a homophobe!”, note that he speaks of “acts” not “persons”.]
The laity needs to nourish themselves with the teaching of the Church’s Magisterium on marriage, with the teaching that is contained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. They must also give witness to it in their everyday dealings, not only with other Catholics but with people who are not of the Catholic Faith, to make it clear that the Church is not changing her teaching — indeed, that she cannot.  [That’s right.  And it is even more important, by factors of hundreds, for priests and bishops to do this in the clearest possible language.  We must not rest or be complacent, because the … other side is not going to be!]
I am hopeful that there will be opportunities for the lay faithful to take part in days of study with regard to the Church’s teaching on marriage and its beauty. I also hope that there might be demonstrations and other public manifestations in support of the truth about marriage.

Q. “Who am I to judge?” continues to be a phrase that is used and misused by the media and is a source of confusion among many of the lay faithful. In your opinion, what steps need to be taken by the Church’s Magisterium to correct misperceptions of this statement? When is it acceptable to make judgments and when is it not?

A. The phrase “Who am I to judge?” is one that I have to understand according to sound Catholic teaching and practice, namely, “Who am I to judge the individual?” We have always withheld judgment on an individual because to be in grave sin, one must have knowledge and full consent of the will. The Church has always taught that we love the sinner, but we hate the sin.
On the other hand, a person is bound to judge evil acts as evil. We cannot pretend — tolerance cannot fly in the face of truth. We are held to judge if we see an act which is objectively disordered — to make that judgment. For instance, if people are involved in extramarital activities, one must be charitable to them, loving the sinner but at the same time being very clear that the acts they are committing are gravely immoral.

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And then…

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Q. Please comment on the connection between the Sacred Liturgy and the New Evangelization. [A good question!  I think there is a straight line between them, so much so that without a renewal of our sacred worship, using what Summorum Pontificum has given us, no of “New Evangelization” can succeed.] Is the Sacred Liturgy a peripheral matter to the preaching of the Gospel? Or does the Sacred Liturgy play an essential role in the Gospel imperative to proclaim Jesus Christ? If the two activities of the Church are in fact essentially connected, how can this connection be shown more clearly and lived more compellingly within the ordinary parish setting? Does a wide celebration of the Extraordinary Form of the Mass have any part to play in the efforts of the New Evangelization?

A. The Sacred Liturgy is absolutely the first act of the New Evangelization. [YES!  I recently heard another Cardinal speak about various challenges we face and the issue of liturgy didn’t come up until about 47 minutes into the presentation.] Unless we worship God in spirit and in truth, unless we celebrate the Sacred Liturgy with the greatest possible faith in God and faith in the divine action which takes place in Holy Mass, we are not going to have the inspiration and the grace to carry out the New Evangelization.
The Sacred Liturgy shows us the form of the New Evangelization because it is a direct encounter with the mystery of faith: Christ’s redemptive Incarnation for the sake of conquering sin in our lives and winning for us the grace of the divine life, a share in the life of the Holy Trinity through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit into our hearts.
The first three commandments all have to do with the worship of God. It is the Sacred Liturgy which establishes a right relationship with God and with one another which we are called to live in our daily lives.  [Exactly what I am always harping about.]
The way this connection can be more compellingly lived in parish life is by celebrating the Sacred Liturgy in such a way that all of the faithful understand that the priest is acting in the person of Christ. They must understand that it is Christ Himself Who is descending to our altars to make truly present His sacrifice; that they must unite their hearts to His own glorious pierced Heart to cleanse them from sin and thus strengthen them for love of God and love of neighbor.
If the Sacred Liturgy is celebrated in an anthropocentric way, in a horizontal way in which it is no longer evident that it is a divine action, it simply becomes a social activity that can be relativized along with everything else — it doesn’t have any lasting impact on one’s life.  [Alas, the Novus Ordo lends itself, through its structure, wordiness, options, etc., to this horizontality.]
I think the celebration of the Extraordinary Form can have a very significant part to play in the New Evangelization because of its emphasis on the transcendence of the Sacred Liturgy. In other words, it emphasizes the reality of the union of Heaven and earth through the Sacred Liturgy. The action of Christ through the signs of the sacrament, through His priests, is very evident in the Extraordinary Form. It helps us, then, to be more reverent also in the celebration of the Ordinary Form. [And, I’ll add, it is good to use it not just because it helps reverence in the Ordinary Form.  The use of the Extraordinary Form is good in itself and not just because there are other practical knock-on effects.]

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Regarding both issues I excerpted for this post, I remind the readership that …

… if we are not on offense, we are on defense.

We must not be complacent.

We cannot forget about what happened at the last Synod of Bishops and then imagine that everything is going to be smooth and perfect at the next meeting in October 2015.  The “hot button” issues are not going away.  They are not going to die out.  On the contrary.

Also, we have Summorum Pontificum.   USE. IT.  Those of you who have obtained what you want… don’t just sit complacently and imagine that everything is fine now and that you don’t have to do anything else.  In fact, some of you may simply be benefiting from the efforts and sacrifices of others.   GET TO WORK.   Get involved.  Make the use of the older, traditional use of Holy Mass and sacraments spread.   Form an “action item” group.  Develop some projects and goals.   Help priests who want to learn to learn.  Advertise, invite, persuade.  Take out ads in papers.

¡Hagan lío!

Don’t just sit there, all smug, thinking that you a) can’t lose what you have and b) you don’t have to keep working.

If you are not on offense, you are on defense!

Don’t be self-absorbed promethean neo-pelagians!

Think about what Card. Burke has been doing. He hasn’t just sat back or receded into the shadows of his new appointment. He is giving interview and speaking forthrightly. He is not resting because he knows what the stakes are.

We need to have the same attitude. Do not let your past victories be pyrrhic victories.

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ASK FATHER: Priest invites people to stand around altar during consecration

ASK FATHER: Priest invites people to stand around altar during consecration

From a reader…

QUAERITUR:

Today [actually a while back at the time of this posting] the associate pastor, a newly ordained priest, asked us, since there were fewer people than usual present at Mass, to come up after the homily around the altar and “all celebrate Mass together”. The Pastor was there as well. (The new associate pastor is diocesan, but the pastor is from a liberal religious order. I haven’t a clue whose idea this was.)

A few of us stayed in our seats. It did not seem right to go up there. Is it actually wrong? Should I/we do anything about it? (I’m a convert.)

Sigh.

A “newly ordained priest”? And here I thought this silliness was dying off.

It is, of course, but the fact that there are pockets here and there that still pop up is still depressing.  Even as pandemics die out, the occasional case of the disease will present itself.

Father seems not to have obtained a good education on the nature of the priesthood, or the nature of liturgical prayer. Perhaps, as I try to imagine the best scenario, he’s merely trying to impress the aging-hippy pastor with how forward-thinking he is.  Therefore he is putting on display his grasp of the aging pastor’s formation: the summer of love, disco, bell bottoms, liturgical tambourines, etc.

Here’s an idea.   Since Father seems to think that people are “celebrating liturgy” together in the same manner that he is (thus, calling them around the altar), perhaps he ought to share both his Mass stipends and his paycheck with them too.  Fair’s fair, right? Aren’t we all about peace and justice? Schleiermacher’s ghost would approve, but I’ll bet Father won’t go that far.

To your dilemma.  Don’t go up.

Back in 1997 several offices of the Roman Curia cooperated in an authoritative document called Ecclesia de mystery, called in English “Instruction On Certain Questions Regarding The Collaboration Of The Non-Ordained Faithful In The Sacred Ministry Of Priest. This instruction clarified the distinct roles of laypeople and of priests. In that document, we find:

In liturgical celebrations each one, minister or layperson, who has an office to perform, should do all of, but only, those parts which pertain to that office by the nature of the rite and the principles of liturgy.” (SC art. 29). During the liturgy of the eucharist, only the presiding celebrant remains at the altar. The assembly of the faithful take their place in the Church outside the “presbyterium,” which is reserved for the celebrant or concelebrants and altar ministers. [Notitiae 17 (1981) 61]

Bottom line: the lay faithful (except those in liturgical serving roles) are not permitted to be inside the sanctuary, that is, “around the Altar” during the Holy Mass.

What to do?  Other than rolling your eyes and then looking for a different parish for daily Mass, there aren’t many action options.

Depending on the diocese, a letter to the local bishop would probably result in one of three things.

1) A “strongly worded letter” from the bishop to the priest telling him to cut it out;

2) A “strongly worded letter” from the bishop to you telling you to stop calumniating a wonderful priest who empowers the laity;

3) The ceremonial placing of your letter either in the special round file (often used in chanceries for such correspondence) or else in Father’s file, where it will sit until the quinquennial culling.   NB: Letters of complaint about Father’s use of Latin or maniples seem to have longer shelf-life for some reason.

Good luck.  Pray that Father finds a better priestly mentor and then grows up.

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Parish slated for closure now a place where people weep during Mass

Parish slated for closure now a place where people weep during MassAt Ship of Fools you find a “review” of an experience of Holy Mass at a parish in England where the Extraordinary Form is celebrated. The parish was threatened with closure but it was turned over to the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest. St. Walburge’s is now open every day.

There are quite a few points made about the church, but what caught my special attention was this:

Which part of the service was like being in heaven?
During the distribution of the holy Sacrament, the choir sang two motets: Mozart’s Ave Verum Corpus and Saint-Saens’ Tollite Hostia. Oh, bliss and Joy! Because the distribution took about 20 minutes, they continued on with Ecce Panis Angelorum. That did it for me. I was crying in the aisles, remembering the last two motets from my convent school days, complete with white lace mantillas and Rosary beads looped over my hands. A lady behind me in the congregation was joining in with this singing; she had the voice of an angel. Quite a lot of people were crying, overcome with the emotion of the occasion.

It isn’t rocket science.

Reason #19857 for Summorum Pontificum.

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ROME DAY 3: Conference continues

The Confraternity of Catholic Clergy conferences continueth.

Today we have as our speaker His Excellency Most Reverend Augustine DiNoia, OP. He is speaking on … wait for it… priesthood. He is a gifted teacher.

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UPDATE

The talk about priesthood we just heard was outstanding. I took quite a few notes.

One serious flaw in this conference is that, for the Q&A periods, the questions are being filtered through designated reps of the CCC. We can’t raise hands and be called on. This is a negative. It suggests an attitude of mistrust on the part of the organizers. On the other hand… to be fair… it could also be an attempt to make sure that the time spent on Q&A isn’t wasted on stupid questions or on speeches. As a frequent speaker, I can attest that – often – people don’t ask questions. Rather, they make speeches or ramble.

BTW… a couple of journalists (a well-known layman and a woman I didn’t recognize) slid in as Q&A started. They were politely invited to remain on the other side of the door. This is not an open forum. This is for clerics who are registered. It is, after all, the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy, not of Anyone Who Wants To Show Up. This is also why I am not adding content of the talks.

One thing that I can say to my priest brothers out there is that, during the last two days, it is evident that we must… must… all review Inter insignores.

UPDATE:

As I have been thinking about this, I believe Archbp. DiNoia meant to reference the interdicasterial instruction about lay people and the ministry of priests called Ecclesia de mysterio.

Meanwhile, in reference to the Inter insignores document a smart woman friend of mine wrote via email:

The #1 reason (cause?) for the “women’s ordination movement” is the modern liturgy — without that, the thought of any woman dressing in heiratic garb, chanting the Mass in Latin, not to mention bending over to lead the Confiteor (“does this prayer make my derriere look big?”) would have been UNTHINKABLE. And how about as an “equal opportunity” female deacon or subdeacon at Solemn Mass? Kissing a male priest’s hands?  [For those of you who don’t know, during Mass in the Extraordinary Form the ministers kiss objects and the hand of the priest as they are handed to and taken from Father, such as the biretta or the chain of the thurible.  Also, as Mass begins, during the Confiteor, the priest bends at the waist before the altar.]

No.

And even now, those women who want to “be priests” — in some through-the-looking-glass world — would they ever, EVER agree to learn the TLM for their parishioners if a “coetus” [the stable “group”] approached them with the request?

No.

It’s the Novus Ordo, and that alone — the undemanding rubrics, the vernacular, the mumus, the face-to-face format of communication that is favored by women of all cultures (vs. side-by-side for men) — that has triggered this.

Trenchant comments from a woman about women.  I think she is on to something.

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Jail of Herod’s palace found

At American Thinker I saw an interesting piece that touches on archeology and the truth of biblical accounts of the Lord’s Passion.

Archeologists say they may have uncovered site where Jesus stood trial

Archeologists excavating an old jail in Jerusalem uncovered what appears to be the remains of Herod’s palace – the place many biblical scholars identify as the location of the trial of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. The extraordinary find is located next to the Tower of David museum and is sure to be a popular attraction when it opens to the public.

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Let me be clear about something. While I have no doubt about the veracity of the biblical accounts, and not the slightest doubt about the truth of the historicity of what we read in Scripture, for me the “historical Jesus” is only of mild interest. The Jesus I am truly interested in is the Lord and Savior, Good Shepherd and Just Judge who rose, ascended and will come again “from the East” to judge the quick and the dead.

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A 70th Wedding Anniversary

Via FNC:

bushweddingGeorge and Barbara Bush celebrate 70th wedding anniversary

Former President George H.W. Bush and first lady Barbara Bush are marking a milestone in their love story this Tuesday, celebrating 70 years of marriage.

The longest-wed presidential couple set the record in 2000 when they surpassed John and Abigail Adam’s 54-year union.

Their story began when they met at a Christmas dance at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., when the future president was 16 years old. A year and a half later, the couple was engaged, right before President Bush shipped out overseas to fight in World War II as a naval pilot.

A few years later, in Sept. 1944, Bush was sent home after he was shot down and nearly killed during a mission over the Pacific. A few months later, Bush and then Barbara Pierce were married in Rye, N.Y. on Jan. 6, 1945. The future president was 20 and Barbara was 19. They would have six children–one of whom died as a toddler–, including future President George W. Bush.

“I married the first man I ever kissed,” Barbara once said. “When I tell my children that they just about throw up.”

[…]

Beautiful.

I can’t help but think that this is how we ought to be now.

Read the rest there.

This is such an admirable family, so dedicated to public service.

Ad multos annos.

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ROME DAY 2: CCC Edition

The was a beautiful Mass at the FSSP church today, a Pontifical Mass at the Faldstool, Palestrina’s Missa Papae Marcelli.

Some of the Family of the Immaculate there in choro.

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And now lunch.

Coratella

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Carbonara

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Coniglio

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UPDATE

The Confraternity of Catholic Clergy (CCC) is meeting. Card. Pell is addressing us.

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So it’s a C day… coratella, carbonara, coniglio, cardinal, confraternity, catholic, clergy…

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Pope Francis, the UN, and an encyclical on the environment

UNFCCBe sure to spend a little time with Thom Peters’ piece at Catholic Vote about Pope Francis, the new, projected encyclical on the environment and human ecology, and the UN.

There are pithy phrases which we might put on mugs and bumper stickers.  I like:

If the future of the human race comes down to the results of a UN meeting, we’re doomed.

And:

The UN is also, as I said, incompetent. Worse: it is actively counterproductive.

I only half jokingly, well … maybe quarter jokingly… predicted that Pope Francis would sign his new encyclical at the UN.  Francis does, however, want to influence the debate on the environment to take place at a UN sponsored gassy meeting in Paris next year.

Peters drills into how the media are treating the news about Francis’s encyclical.  Along the way he makes some pretty good points.  For example:

The original sin of climate change is that it pits human beings and nature against each other. The United Nations sees people, and particularly poor people, as the problem, as consumers, which is why they funnel so much money into birth control and population suppression policies. That’s why those who hold power at the UN are the very last people we should be going to if we truly want to help the poor!

While we will all, I am sure, admit that the Church has to have dealings with the UN, some representation in order to make the Church’s voice heard, I can’t fathom why we would want to get into bed with that organization.

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Falsely accused priest dies in prison…

People who knowingly lie and falsely accuse priests of things they did not do, risk eternal Hell.  They not only violate the truth and justice, they commit the heinous sin of sacrilege.

From MediaReport:

The night before falsely accused priest Rev. Charles Engelhardt passed away on November 15, 2014, Pennsylvania prison officials denied the dying cleric critical medical care, and Engelhardt issued a last declaration of his innocence, according to a recent court filing by Engelhardt’s cellmate and exclusively reported by journalist Ralph Cipriano.

According to Cipriano, Engelhardt told cellmate Paul H. Eline before he died: “Paul, I do not feel well. Please understand that I am an innocent man, who was wrongly convicted.”

This sad episode adds yet another chapter to the gross injustice against three men – Engelhardt, former teacher Bernard Shero, and ex-priest Edward Avery – who were wrongly convicted for crimes they never committed.

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Read the rest of this sad story there.

 

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