Sr. Simone Campbell spins the CDF smackdown of the LCWR. Hilarity ensues.

In a story about the CDF smackdown on the LCWR, USA Today quotes Sr. Simone Campbell of the ultra-poltical, ultra-liberal Nuns on the Bus crowd.

Sr. Campbell is too smart actually to believe this, but let’s read it anyway:

[…] Sister Simone Campbell of Network, a Catholic social justice lobbying group, said Monday that she would wait and see how this plays out across time and changes in Vatican bureaucracy that may be ahead under Francis.

“The censure (of the LCWR) has always been about politics.  [?!?] And politics are shifting in the church right now. We know when politics shift, there are opportunities and there are risks,” said Campbell.

“But we are concerned that Catholic sisters below the decision-making level are caught in the bigger picture of Vatican politics. We’re sort of the soccer ball here. My most optimistic self had hoped that CDF report would never be mentioned again but in light of the broader politics, I think it was overly optimistic of me,” Campbell said.



Riiiiight.  What a rich fantasy life.

They are all just poor little soccer balls, being kicked around by the boys.  It’s all just a political game and the poor nuns are caught in the middle.

This is about doctrine not politics.  Read for yourself the doctrinal assessment of the LCWR by the CDF.  HERE

Dear readers, allow me to remind you of the LCWR’s keynote speaker for their last assembly.  Barbara Marx Hubbard.   She described herself on her Facebook page: “I am an 82 year old Visionary enjoying “Regenopause 2.” Regenopause 1 is from 50 to 80. # 2 is 80 and beyond. I feel I am here to be a voice for the Collective Emergence of humanity as a Co-creative Universal Species!”  Hubbard is into some seriously messed up stuff.  More on her HERE

No, Sister Campbell, the nuns are not innocent victims.

The nuns brought it on themselves when they started to “move beyond the Church” and even beyond Jesus.

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  1. wmeyer says:

    “No, Sister Campbell, the nuns are not innocent victims.”

    And that is it in a nutshell. They can hardly claim invincible ignorance. No, instead they must cast it as politics, and keep repeating the social justice mantra, as though either of those could justify obstinate disobedience.

    Can they imagine that spin will impress our Lord above?

  2. acardnal says:

    Thanks for your persistent reporting on this issue, Father Z. Purity of the faith must be defended.

  3. Barbara Marx Hubbard?
    … any relation to L. Ron Hubbard?

  4. RomeontheRange says: … any relation to L. Ron Hubbard?

    At least in their writing styles.

  5. acardnal says:

    Yeah, science fiction. LOL. L. Ron Hubbard created a new religion called Scientology, and it appears another Hubbard may be trying to create one using the LCWR as an agent of influence into the Catholic Church.

  6. anna 6 says:

    It is no surprise that Sr. Simone, speaker at the Democratic National Convention, 2012, interprets todays events as the result of politics. Sr. Simone and her ilk see EVERYTHING through the lens of politics, rather than the light of faith, wherein lies her problem.

    Reread one of B16’s last talks, an off-the-cuff “chat” with the parish priests and clergy of Rome about his experiences of Vatican 2. He brilliantly exposes the absurdity of interpreting matters of faith in a “hermeneutic of politics”.

  7. marylise says:

    On Sunday, August 26, 2012, in his Angelus address, then Pope Benedict XVI explicitly stated that Catholics who have lost the faith should leave the Church. Benedict identified Judas as the first disciple who pretended to believe in Christ when in fact he harboured a “secret intention of taking vengeance on the Master.” Benedict did not hesitate to call this type of duplicity “a mark of the devil.” Heretics inside the Church, especially in leadership roles, are like cancer cells inside the human body. They destroy everything in sight until someone stops them. They do not know how to do anything else.

  8. chantgirl says:

    Now that Pope Francis has stated his agreement with the CDF’s judgment of the LCWR, what are the practical steps for reforming them? What leverage does the CDF have? I read that during his pontificate, Pope Benedict XVI quietly removed a good number of bishops. What can be done with the sisters?

  9. Patrick-K says:

    If the CDF was wrong, there would be no need for this kind of posturing and sob stories about being victims. LCWR would simply respond in a calm and rational manner and refute the points made. The fact that they won’t even acknowledge the CDF’s authority suggests they are unable to win a straightforward doctrinal debate. I’d hazard a guess that a simple acknowledgement of the CDF’s concerns as legitimate, or at least proceeding from legitimate authority, if somewhat misguided, and a promise to work on them, even if it never amounted to much, would probably do something to relieve some of the pressure on them. But they can’t even do that, can they? They can’t even say, “We acknowledge your authority to make critiques, although we disagree on points A, B, and C.” That’s how it works in the real world — even if your boss is wrong, you don’t get to say that he’s not your boss. And that suggests that something really is wrong.

  10. BLB Oregon says:

    If you don’t think there are any victims among women religious, imagine what it would be like to have some of these people as your superiors. There have got to be many who are praying with all their hearts that the CDF does their pastoral duty and insists that their orders be brought back into line with Church teaching.

  11. Kathleen10 says:

    Even though it seems to me that the Vatican moves on things with the speed of glaciers, this is great news. It is absolutely consoling to see that Pope Francis had affirmed the need for reform of the LCWR.
    The average age of the LCWR is 74. Imagine that? How on earth did these women get so far off track. That’s about the age you’re supposed to be demonstrating wisdom! I spoke to a little friend of mine yesterday. She is 91, and she was showing me her prayer cards, a stack. She has little prayer books and all are worn from years of reading and use. This sweet little thing prays for HOURS each day. Each funeral card of a loved one is read every day, the rosary, etc. She told me that when she opens her eyes in the morning she “thanks God” and when her feet touch the floor she thanks Him again. She “prays all day” she said. “And it’s not enough” she told me. “We need to thank him for everything”.
    I am sending her a note to thank her for her good example to me. I’ve watched her stand on her feet all day cooking Babka for parish fairs. We had to call an ambulance for her one time as she fainted from her efforts. She wouldn’t go home, and was back in the kitchen a half hour later, annoyed at us for calling.
    THIS is a lady who is a role model for all women. She was a wife and a wonderful mother. She has given her all to her beloved church, for years and YEARS. It’s an astounding witness and it makes me think of the waste of all these women teaching error and leading others not to Christ but to themselves. Thankfully, it will not be quite as easy for them to do that now. That’s good news.

  12. Lin says:

    BLB Oregon……Very good point! We don’t know how many sisters are praying for the CDF to prevail. Meanwhile, back in my parish, our pastor advised us in his sermon yesterday that Pope Francis is going to bring the Church out of medieval times. I wonder what he thinks about the events of today. I should tape the sermons going forward. I pray Pope Francis disappoints the progressives. And I am not a radical traditionalist! I would just be happy if he would put a stop to the background music during the Eucharistic prayer!

  13. Gregg the Obscure says:

    The Holy Father has prayed fifteen decades of the Rosary every day since 1985. That is very important. Of course the Rosary is a guard against all heresy, even at the more conventional five decades per day. Additionally, to adopt this habit at such an age (late forties) is a sign of a man who doesn’t place his own biases ahead of the wisdom of Holy Mother Church. I’d wager that in those many years Pope Francis on his own has spent more time praying the actual Rosary (as opposed to its parodies) than the entire LCWR leadership has.

  14. AvantiBev says:

    ” ‘Regenopause 1 is from 50 to 80. # 2 is 80 and beyond. I feel I am here to be a voice for the Collective Emergence of humanity as a Co-creative Universal Species!’ Hubbard is into some seriously messed up stuff. ”

    Hey now, Father Z., don’t judge us womyn until you have suffered through the night sweats, weight gain and hot flashes of Regenopause #1. ;-)

  15. Hank Igitur says:

    I do not understand how professed women can be so far away from wearing their habits, living in community and saying their prayers as their first set of responsibilities and also their not submitting to the Pope. It was awful at the canonisation of St Mary McKillop when the head of the Josephite order Mary founded approached Pope Benedict in a blue scarf with no habit and refused to kiss the fisherman’s ring. Radical politics is surely not the role for these women.

  16. Gregg the Obscure says:

    Also it might just be me, but ” Collective Emergence of humanity as a Co-creative Universal Species” sure sounds like a lamely verbose paraphrase of “and you shall be as gods”.

  17. iowapapist says:

    These nuns kicked the wrong habits.

  18. Daniel says:

    Bishop Blair has an article “Reality check: The LCWR, CDF and the doctrinal assessment” that goes in to some further detail. One of the keynote talks he had an objection to was given by Fr. Michael Crosby OFM Cap, who was barred by Cardinal Collins from speaking at an event sponsored by the Archdiocese of Toronto.

    Per the article:
    Fr. Michael H. Crosby, OFMCap, a keynote speaker at the joint LCWR-CMSM assembly in 2004, lamented the fact that “we still have to worship a God that the Vatican says ‘wills that women not be ordained.’ That god is literally ‘unbelievable.’ It is a false god; it cannot be worshiped. And the prophet must speak truth to that power and be willing to accept the consequence of calling for justice, stopping the violence and bringing about the reign of God.”

  19. McCall1981 says:

    @ BLB Oregon
    That is an excellent point, we cannot forget that some of the women religious in these communities under the LCWR are perfectly orthodox and have just as much of a problem with the LCWR as we do (probably even more since they have to deal with them all the time). These are the real “victims” here, the ones who have had to watch as their orders disintegrated around them for decades, but have remained faithful to the Church. I wonder how many there are, and how many the LCWR really “represents”?

  20. Potato2 says:

    You commented earlier that this would be the moment that the NSR crowd turns on Francis. [No. I didn’t predict that THIS would be the moment. I said that one day they will. This may be that moment. I didn’t predict that this is the moment. Now that you have gotten your opening shot wrong, let’s see where you go with it! o{];¬) ] This is obviously not going to happen. [Oh? It’s “obvious”?] I believe this is the problem with the “kinder gentler” approach Francis seems to be in favor of. [He has only been Pope for a month. He also talks about the Devil all the time. I wonder how “gentle” he is with… say… real heretics.] While I’m quite sure that the Holy Father is very very orthodox in his faith. I can tell you with certainty that the libs do not care one iota about the true faith. We are talking about people that tried to spin Benedict XVIs statement as an endorsement for condoms. I hate to disagree with you but the NSR and like-minded Catholics will never turn on Francis no matter what he does or says. They have branded him their Champion and they will make him what they wish him to be. [Well, that settles it then. We can all stop reading and writing about this.]
    If they were shut down but the Pope himself they would spin it as an invitation and movement toward them being ordained.
    You cannot “be nice” and win this war. I don’t believe Francis understands this but I think he may learn it fast.

    In the immortal words of Patrick Swayze. “You must be nice until it is time to not be nice”

    [Yaaaaaah… okay… I’m not convinced. Liberals are going to turn on him one day. Sooner or later, it’ll happen.]

  21. majuscule says:

    Composed of some 1,500 members, the LCWR consists of about three percent of the 57,000 women religious in the U.S. Because its members are leaders of their religious communities, the group says that it represents 80 percent of American sisters. The average age of its members is 74.

  22. Indulgentiam says:

    “In her LCWR keynote address in 1997, Sr. Sandra Schneiders, IHM proposed that the decisive issue for women religious is the issue of faith: “It can no longer be taken for granted that the members [of a given congregation] share the same faith.”
    Ten years later, in an LCWR keynote speech, Sr. Laurie Brink, O.P. spoke of “four different general ‘directions’ in which religious congregations seem to be moving.” She said that “not one of the four is better or worse than the others.” One of the directions described is “sojourning,” which she says “involves moving beyond the Church, even beyond Jesus. A sojourning congregation is no longer ecclesiastical. It has grown beyond the bounds of institutional religion.” This kind of congregation “in most respects is Post-Christian.” She concludes by characterizing as “a choice of integrity, insight and courage” the decision to “step outside the Church” already made by one group of women religious. Written by BISHOP LEONARD P. BLAIR
    Friday, 08 June 2012 20:23
    —–from the link posted by Daniel@6:22pm

    The only real question is, WHY have they not been excommunicated and shown the door for the heretics their own words clearly show them to be?
    Allowing them to run wild, scatter and Scandalize! Is costing souls. The ones with the most to fear are the shepherds with the most power to stop them and yet continue to wait and watch as the wolves savage the sheep. Our parish Priest said this Sunday, “no Priest goes to Heaven alone and no Priest goes to hell alone”
    In the case of these women TRUTH is charity. God help them AND their shepherds
    Our Lady Quren of the Clergy pray for us!

  23. Widukind says:

    Sister said:
    But we are concerned that Catholic sisters below the decision-making level are caught in the bigger picture of Vatican politics.

    Interesting, Sister. What about all the injustices done by women religious to the faithful who were below the decision-making level and got caught in the bigger picture of nun politics? What about all the good children set astray by the bad theology and poor example of past nuns. What about all the anger poured out on little old ladies who questioned their actions and words? What about nuns’ vicious emasculation and betrayal of unsuspecting priests?
    Sister, who is playing politics?

  24. Indulgentiam says:

    Apologies for the typo–Our Lady Queen of the Clergy pray for us!

  25. amylpav22 says:

    “I am an 82 year old Visionary enjoying “Regenopause 2.” Regenopause 1 is from 50 to 80. # 2 is 80 and beyond. I feel I am here to be a voice for the Collective Emergence of humanity as a Co-creative Universal Species!”

    I’ve read that statement about 6 times and I still don’t get it. I mean, I’m a fairly intelligent woman — I hold an advanced degree in English, understand my Catholic faith…but this just doesn’t make any sense and, in 43 words, I cannot tell you what “Regenopause” 1 or 2 is. But I probably don’t want to know.

  26. BLB Oregon says:

    –“I’ve read that statement about 6 times and I still don’t get it.”–

    Well, this is because you haven’t sold yourself on the idea that you can expect to become somebody that everybody younger than you ought to listen to and pay attention to simply because you’ve gotten past menopause–or the equivalent age for males–and have come to realize that you ought to consider yourself “realized”. Presumably, the princes of the Church, although the right age, are disqualified on account of not being open to the “realization” bit. These people actually believe that the human race as a whole has made significant herd progress in how wise it is (!?!?!), such that new consciousness is coming. New Age, or the Age of Aquarius, or who knows what, but the same old silly but dangerous vanities.

    Hold this in contrast to the truly wise older people that some of us are fortunate enough to know, like the one who wrote this:

    “Lord, thou knowest better than I know myself
    that I am growing older and will someday be old.
    Keep me from the fatal habit of thinking I must
    say something on every subject and on every occasion.
    Release me from the craving to straighten out
    everybody’s business. With my vast store of wisdom
    it seems a pity not to use it all, but thou
    knowest Lord, that I want a few friends at the end…”

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  28. Ed the Roman says:

    Let us pray for Mrs. Hubbard if only for the sake of her father, a great benefactor of humanity:

  29. jflare says:

    Interestingly enough, I partly agree with her statement about politics. Rarely have I heard any statement, seen any act, heard any genuine prayer, or noticed any intent on the part of some of these nuns to foment or support any particular Catholic teaching. They’ll lecture from the roof-tops about “social justice” and insist on funding this or that with state or federal monies. On most occasions that I’ve learned what they intended DOING with the funding though, it never seems to be more than obliquely related to actual Catholic teaching.

    I find it difficult to take these nuns seriously when they aren’t insistent about holding their intentions accountable to the views they’ve taken. Sadly, they aren’t the only ones who do this sort of thing. Far too many Catholics and Catholic groups have behaved similarly over most of my lifetime.

    For far too many, everything about “making the world a better place” really DOES come down to politics.
    Too much concern for collective action, not near enough concern for individuals pursuing virtue as individuals.

  30. Lucas Whittaker says:

    Hank Igitur said: “I do not understand how professed women can be so far away from wearing their habits, living in community and saying their prayers as their first set of responsibilities and also their not submitting to the Pope.”

    Well you see there is a cosmic element to the faith. Some people are discombobulated about this characteristic–almost to the point typified in Elton John’s, Rocket Man. Thankfully the rocket man is burning his fuse out on Mars. Sadly, the word “man” is not exclusive of women as many suppose it is: Even women who once gave their lives to Christ in his Church fall under the purview of the word “man”.

    A favorite theologian of mine wrote, “The supreme threat–coming from God the Father, who as it were gives sinners his supreme love, God the Son–swathes the broken heart like a sheltering cloak; it is a threat not to abuse this supreme gift, because, behind it, there is no greater love to call upon and to turn to” (Heb 6:4-8; 10:26-31). The abundance of the gift causes near-psychosis in many. Pscycosis is well illustrated in what we have witnessed in these sisters–contact with external reality is lost in an extreme myopia; it is cosmic, but not is the sense that it represents a well-ordered whole: much more in the sense of “extraterrestrial”. The truth that love awakens fear within us speaks to their defense. Faith requires the reaction of the whole man, it is demanding: “In faith and through it. . . I am made open and dispossessed of self. . . The important thing is the movement away from myself, the preference of what is other and greater. . .Seen from this perspective, Christian experience can mean only the progressive growth of one’s own existence into Christ’s existence, on the basis of Christ’s continuing action in taking shape in the believer: ‘until Christ has taken shape in you’ (Galatians 4.19).” And this is precisely what is twisted by these sisters: they exude self instead of shedding it for the one to whom they gave their lives, Jesus. If they were merely laymen then it would be to their own detriment, but they are seen by the world to represent the Church and thus lead many astray, which is extactly why they need to be re-conformed, combined with the Catholic Church, or. . . well that will be for somebody else to decide. Many people badly need our prayers. It’s a good thing that we have hope, which is not something merely to fall back on, but an anchor for the soul (cf. Heb 6:19).

  31. BLB Oregon says:

    Why is someone aiming at “conscious self-evolution” like a Grape Nut?

    Well, a Grape Nut is not a grape, and it’s not a nut…

    Seriously, though, Barbara Hubbard contends on her web site that “While consciousness has been evolving for billions of years, conscious evolution is new.” This is unmitigated nonsense. Our consciousness isn’t an iota more evolved than the ancients…and I don’t just mean Plato, I mean the guys who picked the grapes and the women having the babies and the kids making up their games in the streets. Consider how many things a typical ancient of any age, sex, or station in life would have learned from example and experience, committed to memory, or have been able to invent on his or her own out of necessity, and we “moderns” would be hard put to prove we haven’t gone backwards!

    What she is choosing to define as conscious evolution, what she believes to be something new under the sun, is something that people with a gnostic bent have been trying to achieve at least since ancient Greece….and we all know it goes farther back than that. There has always been and will always be someone coming along thinking that if they are just smart enough about their choices, they can choose their way out of the vale of tears. Her first hint that she was deluding herself should have been her need to invent a new jargon to describe it, because nonsense put in plain language is too easily seen for what it is. Honestly, it is taking a big bite out of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and I don’t know what root to “human self-transformation” is older than that one.

    I could give other examples of ridiculous double-speak, but the long and short of it is that they imagine they can become gods, that all of humanity, converted to think as they think and do as they do, will become a race of gods. It is as simple as that.

  32. BLB Oregon says:

    –“You cannot “be nice” and win this war. I don’t believe Francis understands this but I think he may learn it fast”–

    I’m very sure that anyone who has been a superior over a large group of Jesuits will not have to be taught the difference between being good and being nice. You do not herd lions as if they were cats, and live to tell the tale!

    –“I wonder how “gentle” he is with… say… real heretics.–”

    When a shepherd guides straying sheep away from the wolves and back to the fold, there is nothing more gentle than that, even when he unfortunately has to bring all the sheepdogs to bear in order to get them all back where they belong.

    The Lord loves these sisters, the Holy Father loves these sister, we love these sisters–their original intentions, after all, were to give their lives to the Lord!–but it is a false love that leaves someone starving and lost in falsehood. The evil one has gone after those whose perfection would damage him the most, and it is most vital to turn them back to the beauty they sought and the whole Church prayed for when they made their vows.

    Pray to heaven that the evil one be defeated, that we get our sisters back, every single consecrated life among them, and that not one be lost to the attack.

  33. PA mom says:

    “the censure has always been about politics…”
    Sounds like calumny to me.

    I am really surprised at the level of self assured stubborn that comes from this group. How do you begin when someone denies any possibility of being wrong? There has been enough dialogue. Maybe they should all be required to recommit to th original rule books of their Orders, in every way. It is clear that the attempt to update went askew, so back to basics; try again in 40 years…

  34. netokor says:

    This is a famous quote from Barbara Marx Hubbard’s Book of Co-creation:

    “Out of the full spectrum of human personality, one-fourth is electing to transcend …. One-fourth is destructive [and] they are defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a ‘natural death.’ … Now as we approach the quantum shift from the creature-human to the co-creative human—the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers—the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body …. Fortunately, you are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.”

    Miss Co-creative BMH might take out the LCWR also for being so easily duped!

  35. Elizabeth D says:

    Everything is politics to Sister Simone, even religion, which, to her, is trumped by politics. For instance that’s why she went to the formerly-Catholic Holy Wisdom Monastery near here, and read the Gospel and preached at their Ash Wednesday Service, she was there for some pro-union thing. The fact that that place used to be a Catholic group of Benedictine Sisters, who left their vows and left the Church and now host a false and priestless Sunday “eucharist” service and are not in Communion with the Catholic Church, was not as important to her as politics. I was there, and I gave her a copy of testimonies of local Catholic lay people about why Catholics should not support that place:

  36. originalsolitude says:

    marylise says:
    15 April 2013 at 5:02 pm
    Heretics inside the Church, especially in leadership roles, are like cancer cells inside the human body. They destroy everything in sight until someone stops them. They do not know how to do anything else.

    A very good point. From being persistently rebellious over a long period of time, these poor people may well have lost the capability of understanding right from wrong. They function at a different level and have different perspectives from the faithful, and are incapable of seeing truth and reason. That could be why it is so frustrating to try to communicate with them. They do live in a different world, and serve a different god. Only Jesus Christ can transform them.

  37. VLL says:

    @ netokor

    “Now as we approach the quantum shift from the creature-human to the co-creative human—the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers—the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body… He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.”

    This is the scariest quote of the lot. You could use this to support everything from abortion to euthanasia. This is diametrically opposed to Catholic teaching. Whatever happened to “Vengeance is mine?”

    I detect a lot of borrowing from Blavatsky and other Newage. This is one of the reasons why I left Paganism. There’s not a lot of *there* there, and if you do actually take it seriously and reason it out to it’s final conclusions– horrors inevitably result.

  38. netokor says:

    Yes, VLL. These people are sinister. Many New World Order movements and leaders openly affirm that millions will need to be exterminated in order to consolidate the new age. They’re satanic. As Marylise points out, heretics should leave the Church, because they are evil poison. But that doesn’t mean we should stop praying for them. I am so glad you are no longer a pagan. May Our Lady protect you always. May she intercede for all deluded souls. Lord have mercy on us.

  39. KingofCharity says:

    Bottom Line: Not politics, but radical revolt.
    Deep down inside the liberal feminists loathe the fact that the Eternal, divine Son of God, the High Priest of God, revealed Himself to be a man and the priestly office is a reflection of this. The Apostolic Tradition is clear–priests will be men, not due to patriarchal superiority and a sense of inequality, not some arbitrary reflection of the sexist social constructs of the day, but because Jesus Christ established a Holy Hierarchy and Papal office in His exact Image to teach the entire world His Divine Revelation on matters of faith and morals. To say otherwise in light of the Biblical account and historical witness, one would have to accuse Jesus Christ of being a chauvinistic sexist, or at the very least, being guilty of gender discrimination. Jesus is God. God does not lie. God does not err. It is a tragedy that any Catholic would treat God’s Holy Hierarchy as if were some democratic, man-made institution. It is the Holy Church of God, built on the Rock of St. Peter, led by the Holy Spirit to teach infallible truths. When all of our arrogant, prideful crying and whining is done, we will be dust and the Holy Catholic Church will still stand, forever protecting and proclaiming the immutable and perfect truths of God. It is acceptable to protest injustices in the civil domain. Civil disobedience applies to man-made governments and institutions not to the Holy Catholic Church. We can rebuke the mistakes and behaviors of certain Church leaders, but we can never revolt against or rebuke her teachings and doctrines. For her teachings are the dogmatic truths of Jesus Christ. Pray for these nuns that they may find hope in the Blessed Virgin Mary to become lowly handmaids of the Lord. Selfless servants that die to themselves and serve the poor, but are also obedient to the Holy Father and the bishops of the Church.
    Remember, it is only through the authority and wisdom of the Catholic Church that we, the people of Earth, even know that the female consecrated life should even exist within Christendom. The nunnery has been brought to fruition through the Apostolic wisdom of the Church. Nuns have no authority to revolt against the very source of their existence and life-long vows. The nuns are right to be focused on social justice and the needs of the poor; they simply need to keep doing what they’re doing in addition to whatever the Vatican has asked them to do. This is very simple. Obedience to the doctrinal authority of Holy Mother Church.

  40. KingofCharity says:

    L.C.W.R. =
    Liberal Catholics Whining to Rome
    Liberal Catholic Women Revolting
    Liberal Catholics Wanting Revolution
    Liberal Catholics Working for Rebellion
    Leftist Catholics Whining about Rights
    Liberal Catholics Wishing for Revolt
    Leftist Catholic Women Revolting
    Love Christ Without Rome
    Love Christ, Woe to Rome . . . . .

    Reform OR Excommunication

  41. Rachel K says:

    She need to read St Therese of the Child Jesus, then she would be delighted to be a football!

  42. netokor says:

    “She need to read St Therese of the Child Jesus, then she would be delighted to be a football!” This is too deep for me, but for some reason I’m laughing! :-) Can you explain the theology behind St Therese and a football?

  43. majuscule says:

    Here’s an opinion piece written by Mary E. Hunt, a (perhaps I should use “quotes”) feminist theologian, a Roman Catholic active in the women-church movement who lectures and writes on theology and ethics with particular attention to liberation issues.

    Ah, the “theo-politics of the moment” and ” the hostile takeover of LCWR” and mention of Kool-Aid–such writing style!

    The comments are fun, too.

  44. ireneadler says:

    the nuns are full of themselves, but no more so than the bishops. it is politics. the bishops say: do as i say and not as i do. you can’t talk about including gays, but it’s ok to be a flaming homosexual and cover up sex abuse scandals all over the world. ok then.

    [In a distracted moment you may have confused my combox for that of the National Schismatic Reporter. I suggest you save this … sort of thing for over there.]

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