QUAERITUR: at consecration the priest holds ciborium not host

QUAERITUR: at consecration the priest holds ciborium not hostFrom a reader:

I’m sure you’ve covered this before, but if during the actual words of consecration the priest just holds the ciborium and then after the words, during the elevation picks a host out and holds it above the ciborium, is that licit?

It would without question be valid.  Licit?

First, consider the practice before the Council.  Any priest who consecrated in that fashion would have been considered barking mad and would have been disciplined.

The Latin of the 2002 Missale Romanum says “accepit panem” before the consecration of the host.  “He takes (the) bread”.  There is no mention of bread being in the ciborium.  The Latin goes on “eumque parum elevatuim super altare tenens… holding it elevated a little over the paten”.  The priest holds “it” over the paten, not “them” over the paten.

My reading is that the priest must be holding the host, not the ciborium.  Also, I suppose that priest isn’t holding the ciborium over the paten.

The Latin says that after the consecration the priest “Hostiam consecratam ostendit populo… he shows the consecrated Host to the people”.  The priest is not instructed to put the ciborium down and pick up a Host.

My reading is that the priest is to pick up a host before the consecration, not the ciborium with hosts in it.  Reasonable?

If there is any question, you could address a question to the local bishop or to the Congregation for Divine Worship.

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Priest in Australia says he will marry homosexuals

UPDATE 16 Feb 1552 GMT:

From the The Age:

Father Bob Maguire was the page three story in the Herald Sun with the screaming headline: ”I’ll do gay weddings.” Being a modern priest for the modern era who keeps his flock updated via Twitter and his blog, he tweeted: ”Spread the word, comrades. I will not do gay weddings. I cannot do gay weddings. The H/S headliner is wrong.”

_________ ORIGINAL POST __________

Immediate suspension, I think.  Public retraction to follow.  No?  Am I wrong?

From the Herald Sun in Australia:

Gay marriage lobbyists welcome Fr Bob Maguire’s pledge

Paul Tatnell, Anne Wright
February 15, 2011 12:00AM

UPDATE 7.48am: GAY marriage lobbyists have welcomed Father Bob Maguire’s public pledge to conduct gay union ceremonies, but claim he’s not the first priest to speak out in favour of the cause.  [Again, I repeat my outrage at the spiritual abuse against happy virtuous people by homosexuals who hijack the word “gay”.]

Australia Marriage Equality national secretary Peter Furness said this morning it was encouraging to see a Catholic priest speak publicly about the issue.

“There are many priests who support and want the right to marry same sex couples,” Mr Furness said. [Suspension.]

“(But) people are scared of their bosses to do it publicly.” [If they do it secretly suspend them.]

Mr Furness said a number of religious leaders had made submissions to a 2009 senate inquiry in favour of gay marriage, but some were not willing to go public with their views.

“The Australian Christian Lobby would have us think that there is one viewpoint from the church, but there’s not,” he said.

“There are lots of different viewpoints. We have been contacted by many religious leaders who have said they want to do gay ceremonies.”  [Catholic clerics should be suspended.]

Fr Maguire said he would perform a civil ceremony for a homosexual couple – but not in a church.  [Indeed?]

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UPDATE 16 Feb 1552 GMT:

From the The Age:

Father Bob Maguire was the page three story in the Herald Sun with the screaming headline: ”I’ll do gay weddings.” Being a modern priest for the modern era who keeps his flock updated via Twitter and his blog, he tweeted: ”Spread the word, comrades. I will not do gay weddings. I cannot do gay weddings. The H/S headliner is wrong.”

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New Cathedral in Saskatoon – solar cells embedded in stained-glass

The Montreal Gazette has an intriguing piece. Not sure about the design of the cathedral, but the technology of the windows is intriguing.

Let there be light: new Saskatoon cathedral will draw solar power from stained glass

By Jeremy Warren, Postmedia News February 14, 2011

SASKATOON — A different kind of trinity is emerging at Saskatoon’s newest cathedral, where the Roman Catholic Diocese of Saskatoon is combining art, technology and faith in a stunning and environmentally-friendly project.

The Holy Family Catholic Church, a $28.5-million cathedral under construction in Saskatoon’s northeast, has solar cells embedded in the large stained glass windows that will be installed this spring.

The cathedral could be the first church in North America to use photovoltaic cells in a stained glass installation, said cathedral building committee chair Jim Nakoneshny. The University of British Columbia used the combination in a library.

“It’s an art installation, but being able to incorporate energy-collecting methods is a way to show sustainability can be done without it being an ugly feature on the building,” he said.

Toronto-based artist Sarah Hall used 54 panels to create three large sections — the largest of which is 13.3 metres tall 3.2 metres wide — representing the Prairie sky. [Ummm…. and religious symbols?  In the photo, above, it looks as if there may be some small icon-like symbols.]

Sections of bright red, orange and blue swirl around bursts of white light on the stained-glass panels, which will be installed high on the south side of the cathedral.

Hall, who is known for her stained glass work at religious institutions around the world, had the panels fabricated at a studio in Germany. Once made, about 1,000 solar cells were embedded in the panels.

The marriage of art and faith in Roman Catholic architecture is common, Nakoneshny said.  [I like the idea of the technology being built into the windows.  Very cool.  How about religious symbols for the cathedral church of the diocese?]

“The artistic element is always something we look for in a project,” he said.

“If you look back in the history of the church, there’s a long-standing tradition of trying to bring beauty to the form of a building. It ensures that what we’re creating celebrates the glory of God’s creation.”  [Creation?  What about salvation?]

Nakoneshny said the project is on budget and on time. He expects the cathedral to open its doors in November.

The Saskatoon cathedral’s use of solar energy isn’t new to the Catholic Church. In 2008, the Catholic Church replaced roof tiles on a Vatican auditorium with 2,700 solar panels.

The glass and solar cells — from conception to installation — will cost the Saskatoon diocese about $675,000, but the money for the project came from special donations and not the cathedral’s construction budget, Nakoneshny.

The diocese hasn’t calculated how much money might be saved by using solar energy in the cathedral. The panels will collect annually enough energy to power five homes for a year — enough to help offset electrical costs at the new cathedral, said project manager Michael Lux.

jjwarren@thestarphoenix.com

Another photo from Global Saskatoon.

Diocese of Saskatoon.  New cathedral.

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Archbp. Marchetto’s book about “School of Bologna” and interpretations of Vatican II now in English

MarchettoI read on the site of NLM that the book about the “School of Bologna” (here) and interpretations of the Second Vatican Council by Archbp. Agostino Marchetto is finally in English.  Marchetto kindly inscribed my copy when it first came out.  It called:

The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council: A Counterpoint for the History of the Council

Click HERE or on the image below to buy the book in English.

Agostino Marchetto

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Catholic Church in Ireland is collapsing?

VOTE FOR WDTPRSOur Lord promised that Hell would not prevail against the Church He founded.  He didn’t promise the Church would prevail in Ireland.

The Holy Father wrote in his letter to Catholics in Ireland that they should do penance in more intense way and return to some traditional practices.  He focused on the healing of the Irish people and the Church.  If there were ever a place in the world where a New Evangelization and for what I have dubbed Pope Benedict’s “Marshall Plan” to be implemented, it might be Ireland.

I read today in the UK’s best Catholic weekly, the Catholic Herald, a grim story.

My emphases and comments.

‘Visitator will tell Pope that Irish Church is near to collapse’

By Michael Kelly on Tuesday, 15 February 2011

Cardinal O’Malley [of Boston] is one of several senior prelates charged by Pope Benedict with carrying out an apostolic visitation of the Irish Catholic Church following a series of highly critical judicial reports that revealed abuse by priests and a widespread culture of cover-up for decades among Church leaders.

Fr Tony Flannery, a leading member of the Association of Catholic Priests, revealed at a conference of lay people in the Irish capital that “Cardinal O’Malley told the association the Irish Church had a decade, at most, to avoid falling over the edge and becoming like other European countries where religion is marginal to society”.

Fr Flannery said Cardinal O’Malley gave a commitment to the priests’ association that he would deliver the frank assessment to the Pope in a confidential report to be submitted later this year.

Admitting to being previously sceptical about the apostolic visitation, Fr Flannery said that in light of Cardinal O’Malley’s undertaking, “there may be some gleam of hope.” [If bishops and priests preach repentance, demonstrate the same, and promote a return to solid doctrine and traditional practices.]

Cardinal O’Malley could not be reached for comment.

In a mid-November statement, the Vatican said it would issue a comprehensive summary of the investigations’ findings when they are completed.

Fr Flannery said that while the association was ready to campaign for radical change, it was apprehensive that it would be viewed as “a new clericalism”. [?!?  Is there any other course?  Fear of being accused of returning to “clericalism” is a fear that comes straight from the wiles of the Enemy.]

The association, which represents more than 400 of Ireland’s 4,500 priests, was formed in 2010. It has proposed a re-evaluation of the Church’s teaching on sexuality and the inclusion of women at every level within the Church.

The first phase of the visitation should be completed by Easter, and it is likely the visitators will meet with senior officials of the Roman Curia in the spring to discuss what Jesuit Fr Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, described as the next phase of the “path to renewal”.

There are not many alternatives.  The Church’s pastors in Ireland can surrender to modern trends, which will result in the collapse of the Church in Ireland.  They can dither, which will result in the collapse of the Church in Ireland.  They can do what Pope Benedict asked, and do it boldly, and save something of the Church in Ireland.

“Fear of clericalism”?

For the love of God be priests.   Stop clericalizing the lay folk, look people in the eye, teach them how to pray with worthy worship, preach the four last things, invoke the help of the Mother of God, the Holy Angels, St. Patrick and all the saints, do penance and move forward despite the howls.

Will the Church lose numbers or status in Ireland?  Maybe.  Do it anyway.

St. Augustine preached about the sort of healing that Christ as the great Medicus sometimes applies.  He said that the doctor does not stop cutting just because the patient is screaming for him to stop. (s. 80.3)

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The Pope receives his new bowling ball from Card. Rouco Varela.

Pope Benedict XVI (R) receives a gift by Archibishop of Madrid Antonio Maria Rouco Varela
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Any readers from Cornwall, Devonshire?

Are there any regular readers here from Cornwall or Devon?

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Pastor of two parishes ends use of Extraordinary Ministers of Communion

VOTE FOR WDTPRSFor your “Brick By Brick” file.

I found this, thanks to a reader, on the site Knights of Divine Mercy, by Fr. Rick Heilman, pastor of St. Mary Catholic Church in Pine Bluff, WI.

My emphases and comments.

Extraordinary Ministers No More *Gulp*

Fr. Rick Heilman | Feb 14, 2011 |

This past weekend I made one of those decisions in my two parishes that was very difficult, only in the sense that my own silly pride seems to forever inclined to seek the approval of others. It was one of those decisions that I could’ve waited on … to see if many other parishes were doing this first, but that stupid “integrity” thing wouldn’t let me wait for that.

This weekend we made the move to refrain from the use of Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.  [NB] Thanks to this internet age in  which we live, the appropriate teaching on this was hard to escape. [Reverend Fathers, have you read Ecclesiae de mysterio?] Up to now, I hid behind my “ignorance”, but once I received the truth, the culpability of my dissent became more grave. I could no longer cower behind my lack of knowledge. My conscience got the better of me as I realized my dissent would now be direct.

In my larger parish, with the church about 90-95% full, it took only 8 minutes 45 seconds for me to give everyone Communion (also, like the Holy Father, I place a kneeler in front of me to give our people the option kneeling or standing). There just isn’t a case for “unduly prolonged” Communion.

Oh, how I wanted to hang out in my ignorance.  Besides, look what happened to some of the priests who did this? (here) [About Bp. Morlino and the great priests near ultra-liberal Madison, WI.  OOH-RAH!] … I mean c’mon … national news? But, they inspired me to be join our Holy Father’s vanguard in reeling in some of the abuses which have crept into the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Of course, I spent the weekend giving our people the teaching (with love) on this, and the response (so far) has been anything from, “Thank you, SO MUCH, father … we have been waiting for years for this” to “I’m leaving the parish.”

There are wonderful teachings out there in “Google Land,” but this one cuts to the chase pretty well (here).

I’ll humbly take your prayers that I remain strong and full of God’s love and patience as I move from the easy “wait and see” position to the bloody front lines on this issue.

Fr. Heilman, you have my prayers without doubt.  I believe many of the readers here will also want to add your name to their prayers lists for the next weeks.

Friends, I believe we are going to see a lot more of this over time.

WDTPRS KUDOS to Fr. Heilman.

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What is your good news?

VOTE FOR WDTPRSDo you have any good news to broadcast to the world?

What’s up?

Some blog related good news is that I updated some plugins here and nothing broke.  Also there is going to be some needed server work done in the next couple days.

Another piece of good news: WDTPRS is doing fairly well in Readers Choice Award… but we can do better.  You can vote everyday.  Please help.  Click here or the image above to go VOTE!

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A moving anniversary

JoyentI believe today is the anniversary of  WDTPRS’s move from my dreadful first hosting service to the wonder Joyent, real pros and pioneers of cloud technology.

Some of you long-time readers will remember those rough days before the move.  Apart from glitches here and there the experience has been wonderful.

Speaking of this anniversary, we may be doing some server maintenance on either 15 or 16 February.

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