QUAERITUR: applause in church for music

From a reader:

I have complained on your blog and to this forum in
the past about their practice of vigorously applauding the choir after the communion “meditation”/song. Sometimes this song is even secular opera piece. After the applause, the choir just blinks back (they are stationed behind the priest and altar, next to organ and a piano). I am waiting for the day when they take a bow/curtsy! In researching this issue of concern to me I noticed on the parish website the results of a “parish survey” in which the question of their “custom” of applauding the choir was put to parishioners. The majority apparently voted in favor of continuing this custom at Mass which is not termed Mass but rather instead a “ceremony”. This survey was conducted in 2008. Is there precedent for doing liturgy according to results of surveys?

This is what Joseph Card. Ratzinger – now Pope Benedict XVI said about applause in church:

“Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. ” (Spirit of the Liturgy p. 198)

It is foolish to make decisions about liturgical worship based on surveys.

Say The Black - Do The Red

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World Health Organization praises Pope’s approval of condoms

The misrepresentations of the Pope’s words in his book-interview are ricocheting around, developing their own buzz.

Get this:

WHO welcomes the Pope’s statement on condoms

MANILA, 25 November 2010—The World Health Organization (WHO) today welcomed a statement by Pope Benedict XVI that the use of condoms is acceptable in halting the spread of AIDS.

The Pope’s statement is in line with evidence that condoms are highly effective in preventing infection with the HIV virus,” said Dr Shin Young-soo, WHO’s Regional Director for the Western Pacific.

[…]

The Pope said, explicitly, that condoms are neither a moral solution nor a REAL solution.

In fact, just as he did when he was on an airplane doing a presser, the Pope knows more about condoms than the World Health Organization.

What I find amazing is that an organization like this can simply make it up.

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Rahab and the Condom Conundrum

We read in book of Joshua that the non-Jewish harlot Rahab hid Jewish spies under bundles of flax from her roof (Joshua 2:6).

The fact that a harlot gave help to the Jewish spies is not to be taken as biblical approval of harlotry.  It is also not to be taken as an approval of lying.

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Buying stuff for Christmas from monasteries and relgious

Given that this is the day when US retail stores hope to move into the black, thus “Black Friday”, I think we can give some attention to our own Christmas gift shopping here.

I think some monasteries and religious houses who make and sell products in order to live would also appreciate your consideration.  I would rather help a monastery than, say, Target.

Surely you readers have some recommendations of products that monasteries and religious make which could be good as gifts.

Let me start by mentioning a few.

First, there is – [CUE MUSIC]Mystic Monk Coffee.  They have packages of coffees with low or free shipping, there are chocolates and also religious gifts.  And when you buy their stuff, you also help me.

Second, I have in the past written about the Contemplative Domincan Nuns of Our Lady of the Rosary Monastery who make soaps.

Third, buy your coffin today.  What a great stocking stuffer.  And when you want to get your last will and testament in order, print it with a cartridge from the Laser Monks.  They have dog biscuits too.  They also have dog biscuits.

Fourth, I will plug my own things.   If you want to get something for a priest or seminarian, consider things from the Z-Stuff stores.  There are shirts and mugs and all that sort of stuff.  Most of them will annoy liberals or at least start a conversation.  And once your in a conversation, you have a chance to make your points.




What about you?  Have recommendations?   I think a lot of groups may make fruit cake, but can you give it a personal review?  I can attest that the fruitcake made by made by Trappists at Assumption Abbey in Missouri was mighty tasty.  That’s the sort of thing we need to know.

Get some Mystic Monk Coffee, and a WDTPRS mug of some sort, along with a fruitcake and you are in business!

BTW.. people are always telling me to push that thing or this thing on my blog.  I prefer to be able to push things I have actually seen or experienced.   Therefore, I must say that I have no personal knowledge of the aforementioned dog biscuits.

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WSJ Opinion piece about the book interview with Pope Benedict

The Wall Street Journal has an article by Francis X. Rocca about Light of the World, the book-length interview with Benedict XVI.

I wouldn’t really call this piece a “review” of the book.  It is more an opinion piece and it is appropriately on the Opinion Page.

My emphases and comments.

The Pontiff Speaks
Benedict sits down for several hours of conversation with a journalist.

By FRANCIS X. ROCCA

‘The monarchy’s mystery is its life,” the English writer Walter Bagehot wrote in 1867. “We must not let in daylight upon the magic.” A turning point in the history of the British crown, according to some observers, was the 1969 BBC documentary “Royal Family,” which showed Queen Elizabeth and her relations engaged in TV-watching and other activities of ordinary folk. The broadcast endeared the royals to millions but may have helped to dispel the larger-than-life aura on which their prestige depended. [Here is a good lead and a good point.  To what extent is it wise to “diminish” the image?   The writer explores this below.]

Will future historians of the papacy say the same about “Light of the World”? Based on six hours of interviews with Pope Benedict XVI conducted in July of this year by the German journalist Peter Seewald, the book offers a rare portrait of a reigning pontiff, presenting him as insightful and eloquent—and pious of course—but also all too human.

Benedict confesses [The hook to the Queen and family.] to TV-watching of his own: the evening news and the occasional DVD, especially a series of movie comedies from the 1950s and 1960s about a parish priest sparring with the Communist mayor of his Italian town. [Don Camillo!] Despite such pleasures, the pope finds that his schedule “overtaxes an 83-year-old man” and reports that his “forces are diminishing,” though he makes it clear that he still feels up to the demands of his office.

When it comes to recent controversies, Benedict voices gratitude to journalists for recently exposing the clerical sex abuse in several European and Latin American countries.  [It probably would not have been dealt with without the press exposure.] He goes on to claim that “what guided this press campaign was not only a sincere desire for truth, but . . . also pleasure in exposing the Church and if possible discrediting her.” While there is doubtless much truth to such a statement, blaming the messenger is the last thing an image consultant would advise a leader to say in a crisis—which suggests that the image of Benedict that appears here is as uncensored as Mr. Seewald claims. [A good question.  Is it right for leaders in the Church to express such an idea?  Say that the press is also out to get the Church?  Or should we just lie there and be kicked?]

Likewise, concerning the uproar that greeted Benedict’s 2009 decision to lift the excommunication of Richard Williamson—the ultra-traditionalist bishop who turned out to be a Holocaust denier—the pope sees evidence, in the press, of “a hostility, a readiness to pounce . . . in order to strike a well-aimed blow.” In this case, Benedict concedes that he made a mistake—that he would not have readmitted Bishop Williamson to the Catholic Church had he known about his statements on the Nazi genocide. “Unfortunately,” he tells Mr. Seewald, “none of us went on the Internet to find out what sort of person we were dealing with.” [Odd.  After all, I knew about his strange ideas when I was working there.  Did not a single person in the decision making process know about this fellow’s notions?  Hard to imagine, unless you consider the crew you are talking about.]

Benedict also concedes that “maybe [the Vatican] should have” called for an immediate world-wide investigation of clerical sex abuse following the scandals in the U.S. in 2002. [NB:] Recalling the violent protests that greeted his 2006 speech in Regensburg, Germany, in which he quoted a medieval Christian emperor describing the teachings of Muhammad as “evil and inhuman” and “spread by the sword,” Benedict confesses to naïveté. He gave the speech, he says, “without realizing that people don’t read papal lectures as academic presentations, but as political statements.” [There is no way that Pope Benedict didn’t know at the time how few people read carefully, or that the press wouldn’t go off the deep end, or that part of the Muslim world wouldn’t go bananas.  I think what shocked him was the violence, especially the killing of a Catholic woman religious.  Wasn’t she shot in the back by some practitioners of the religion of peace?  At that point the Pope made a conciliatory gesture.  But in the long run, some Muslim scholars undertook to start more dialogue with the Holy See.]

Disappointingly, Mr. Seewald never asks Benedict about the much-discussed case of a pedophile priest who was reassigned to pastoral work on Benedict’s watch as archbishop of Munich in 1980 and who later molested children again. Church officials have said that Benedict did not approve the reassignment, and there is no evidence to suggest that he did; but readers of “Light of the World” might have been grateful to receive that assurance from the pope himself and an expression of regret for the tragic error.

Clearly the Vatican, during Benedict’s papacy, has struggled to manage its “public relations,” a term the pope himself adopts here. In one respect “Light of the World” may appear to be the latest false move: Over the past several days—ever since the Vatican newspaper ran certain passages ahead of publication—Benedict’s comments in the book on the use of condoms have occasioned furor, confusion and mockery. In fact, the pope made a highly nuanced statement [once again] —  that the use of condoms in illicit sexual activity, when intended to prevent the spread of AIDS, “can be a first step” in the practice of sexual morality. But, naturally, the press pounced, to use the pope’s own word.

[Back to the point at the top…] By speaking to Mr. Seewald so informally on matters of such importance, the pope may be seen to be collaborating in his own diminishment. And yet, on the evidence of the book itself, Benedict’s decision to participate in the interviews was deliberate and principled. “Standing there as a glorious ruler is not part of being Pope,” he tells Mr. Seewald. “Is it really right,” he asks later, “for someone to present himself again and again to the crowd in that way and allow oneself to be regarded as a star?” People, he acknowledges, “have an intense longing to see the Pope” but only because he is “the representative of the Holy One.” No one, he says, should “refer the jubilation to oneself as a personal compliment.”  [Do I hear an “Amen!”?]

Benedict’s self-humbling may be part of the “purification” and “penance” that he says the sex-abuse scandal has demanded of the church. Perhaps, too, he sees demystifying the pope—though not the papacy itself—as a contribution to the “new understanding of religion” that he sees emerging in the secular West: a “real faith in the Gospel” untainted by the mythical, archaic and irrational.

We are so used to hearing leaders profess how “humbled” they are whenever they attain honor and power that our first impulse is to be skeptical when Benedict describes himself as a “little” pope, by comparison with his predecessor, Pope John Paul II. Yet his self-exposure in these pages is evidence of his sincerity and could prove a key to the ultimate success of his reign.

Mr. Rocca is the Vatican correspondent for Religion News Service.

A thought provoking piece.

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Your good news and yesterday’s events

What is your good news?   Did you, in the USA, have a good day yesterday?

For my part, I ate a bird.   This time it was duck.

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NCFishwrap: Getting it wrong about people who are getting it right.

When it comes to the Condom Conundrum the National Catholic Fishwrap is in full twit about the Pope’s comments concerning condoms.

A couple days ago I nicknamed this dust up the “Condom Conundrum”.  I see that this is being picked up, but I when I see by whom I start to wonder if it was a good idea.  In any even, there is nothing new about the phrase “condom conundrum”.  It has been used and used and used.

The follow is from Maureen “Copycat” Fiedler of the National Catholic Fishwrap.

The Condom Conundrum  [Imitation is the highest form of flattery.]
by Maureen Fiedler on Nov. 24, 2010

We’re seeing as good a sideshow as Catholicism produces. [Doesn’t that trivialize something which is rather important?] According to Rachel Zoll of the Associated Press, many “prominent conservative Roman Catholics in the U.S.” are questioning the Vatican’s own explanation of what Pope Benedict said about condoms in a new book, Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times. [She needed Zoll to tell her that?]

As best anyone can decipher, the Pope approves of the use of condoms to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS, and thus save lives. (I’ve always thought that this is an obvious “pro-life” position).  [No Maureen.  In case you missed the explanations from people who actually understand what the Pope said, the Pope said that condoms are not… not… a moral solution.  That means that the Pope does not approve of condom use.  He said that their use is neither a real solution (they don’t work) or a moral solution (they are bad).   That said, should a male prostitute have an inkling that giving another person a really nasty disease is a bad thing, and decides to use a condom, then that is a step in the right direction. That doesn’t mean he approves of condom use even in that situation.  If you need another explanation, try this.] But apparently, several of the most orthodox Catholics who have been bad-mouthing condoms for any reason – even to save lives –await a formal papal statement. [Dear readers, think about how daft that last statement was.] Some have even questioned whether the Vatican spokesperson, Rev. Frederico Lombardi, accurately interpreted the papal position. [That is not an unreasonable thing to do.  Fr. Lombardi is not the Pope.  When we hear something from Fr. Lombardi, we are hearing Fr. Lombardi, which is not the same thing as hearing the Pope.]

In an ironic twist, Jon O’Brien of Catholics for Choice welcomed the statement. In fact, I think his statement is perhaps the first time I have ever seen his organization praise something the Pope has said!

But the conservatives are the most intriguing. After years of defending papal positions no matter what they say, some of these conservatives are obviously scrambling to find a plausible way to change their own public statements. [She hasn’t been paying attention.  “Conservatives”, who understand what Pope Benedict said, are defending this statement because it is right, not because this Pope said it.] Or maybe they are quietly lobbying the Vatican to modify its already modified position on condoms. Whew! Change can be really tough for some folks – maybe tougher than it is for Benedict XVI.  [I think that last line was supposed to be ironic.]

Again, “conservatives” are defending the Pope’s statement not because this Pope said it.  They are not defending the Pope.  They are defending the statement because it is right.

Whether he should have said it or not is another debate.

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Remember: The Pope knew what he was doing

I posted this:

The Pope knew what he was setting off

His Hermeneuticalness has a good piece about this too.

Molotov cocktail of planetary magnitude

Consider two points.

The sharp repression of Modernism in the early 20th century probably lead the its resurgence later.  What might have happened had modernism been engaged and refuted rather than simply repressed?

The Pope has wanted a “new evanglization”.  That means engaging head to head.

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The Feeder Feed: getting cold edition

TwitterIt has been a while since I have posted photos of the feeders at home.

I have the Z-Cam going with Radio Sabina now.  There are views of the feeders, which I occasionally shift.

The Chickadees and Nuthatches have definitively formed their common flock for the winter and the Chickadees themselves are a bit less aggressive with each other.

Here are two sitting together fairly amicably.

Yes, folks… both birds… both at the feeder.  Very different.

Blue Jays are spectacular, but they can be annoying.

Here is a Jay looking for its favorite bits by tossing seeds around (out) with its large beak.

The TEAM GOLDFINCH.

This House Finch is happy that you have given donations.  That is how they eat around here.

Thanks!

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China consecrates a bishop. Canonist Ed Peters comments.

I would like today to remind Catholic readers in America, especially, to be thankful for the blessings of a still society and the still free exercise of religion.

You have probably heard that there was a consecration of a bishop in China for the “official” Church.

The Holy See made a statement (with added emphases):

VATICAN CITY, 24 NOV 2010 (VIS) – The Holy See Press Office today released the following English-language communique concerning an episcopal ordination at Chengde in the province of Hebei, Mainland China: . . . (2) It is known that, in recent days, various bishops were subjected to pressures and restrictions on their freedom of movement, with the aim of forcing them to participate and confer the episcopal ordination. Such constraints, carried out by Chinese government and security authorities, constitute a grave violation of freedom of religion and conscience. The Holy See intends to carry out a detailed evaluation of what has happened, including consideration of the aspect of validity and the canonical position of the bishops involved. (3) In any case, this has painful repercussions, in the first case, for Fr. Joseph Guo Jincai who, because of this episcopal ordination, finds himself in a most serious canonical condition before the Church in China and the universal Church, exposing himself also to the severe sanctions envisaged, in particular, by canon 1382 of the Code of Canon Law.

The distinguished canonist Ed Peters makes observations about this consecration on his excellent blog In The Light Of the Law.

[…]

If I were the Chinese government, I would not be so sure that Saturday’s episcopal ordination ceremonies had, in fact, resulted in the ordination of a bishop.

Quite aside from the pervasive illiceity of the alleged ordination—for which the HSPO rightly notes that excommunication attaches at least to Joseph Guo Jincai per 1983 CIC 1382—the validity of an ordination attempted under these kinds of circumstances is subject to challenge, and the adjudication of such challenges are solely within the jurisdiction of the Church (1983 CIC 841, 1400-1401, 1708-1712).

What might those challenges be? Basically, force and/or fear, under 1983 CIC 125. By the institution of Christ (nb: not the State, and not even the Church), sacraments have certain unalterable requirements for their performance. Among those requirements is sufficient freedom and consent on the part of the minister. The freedom and intentionality of any minister performing a role under these sort of oppressive conditions is obviously suspect.

To be sure, sacraments are robust things and the Church does not frequently find their conferral invalid (1983 CIC 10); but then, we don’t frequently run into modern governments still operating as if sacraments were some kind of magical rites that, when pronounced by the right person wearing the right wardrobe, mysteriously achieve their effects hocus-pocus.

Meanwhile…

[CUE MUSIC]

Someone sent me a link to a Youtube video with a musical version of the Salve Regina sung by men  in a classical Chinese musical style.  I found it exceptionally beautiful and moving.  There are also quotes which have an influence of the Taoist perspective, but they are pretty sound.

This is inculturation.

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